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Now the former Ayatollah was an old man getting up in the years, dying of cancer and willing to martyr himself. But his wife? His son's wife? All of his subordinates, too?
It’s a good point. The only way this could serve the interests of Iran is if the foundation of their cultural and religious identity revolved around the collective mourning of a massacre which mirrors what happened to Khamenei in important ways. What you don’t want to give Iranians is “a template for the public expression of collective solidarity and moral feeling”. But, like, what’s the probability of that? Thankfully the CIA is advising Trump and not two random real estate developers and a guy with a Kafir tattoo written under his Deus Vult tattoo.
They're going down the entire chain of command, killing anyone who even has a whisper of command authority
Maybe they can, I have no idea, but it’s not a given, as Iran has tons of mountains and Russian / Chinese communication tech.
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No country plans to have their entire leadership killed
Except, you know, Iran. “The regime has in fact already taken preventative measures to ensure its survival in the event of an attack, including by tapping Ali Larijani, a former IRGC commander and the current head of the Supreme National Security Council, to take the lead on contingency planning. Khamenei has also reportedly named successors for himself and his key military and government appointees to enable smooth transfers of power and ensure the regime’s longevity.”
an international pariah
They already were a pariah and cut off from trade. America even managed to persuade India to stop sending them food. That curse happened to become a blessing for them, as they are insulated from the internal consequences of disrupted global trade. What is perhaps not noted here is that the only thing a Sunni hates more than a Shia is an Israeli. The Gulf Arabs are unlikely to go to war with Iran to increase the territorial expansion and power of Israel. Just two weeks ago Huckabee spilled on the beans on the Zionist conspiracy to increase Israeli territory. So for who will Iran be a pariah exactly?
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I did think his “long live Khamenei” effort post was highly unusual…
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It’s funny because high school is probably the time where a majority of humans have peak emotional experiences, simply due to hormones, which is why popular media often centers on high school (Stranger Things, Euphoria, Harry Potter, the various social life anime and Korean shows).
Tripoli and Mexico were not interventions into foreign affairs as they secured the wellbeing of Americans exclusively. The lyrics are “we fight our country's battles […] to keep our honor clean”. Not, “we fight Israel’s battles and lose all our honor by killing 100 children in the first salvo, while also killing a Muslim leader in their holy month backhandedly while lying about negotiations, all while harming our own interests among Arab allies in the region”. Our plan going into Tripoli was to secure a deal to benefit Americans, not trying to kill everyone in the government and military and hoping for the best. Leave such dishonor to Israel. In any case this is a 1930s authorization, not really traditional enough for me.
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2d ago
If you told the founders that we were entering a needless war of foreign intervention 6000 miles away in Persia, they would consider their constitution a failure, and may be partial to my helpful revision.
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3d ago
The best salesmen in the world are at the intelligence agencies because they have access to psychological research that has never been published, and because such a job is more rewarding than working at Coca Cola. McDonald’s does not have a team focused specifically on targetting you, as an individual, using all your data, with access to your friend while you’re in a golf-induced trance state. If they did then you would prostrate before the Big Arch and salivate upon hearing “I’m lovin’ it”.
You failed to read. This part is NLP:
Graham traveled several times to Israel in recent weeks, meeting with members of the country's intelligence community. "They'll tell me things our own government won't tell me," he said. He spoke with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, coaching him on how to lobby the president for action
The part you selected is only Trump being lied to, as our own intelligence does not agree with what Netanyahu said, and Israel has previously lied to get us into war. A fool would trust their intel without vetting.
assess military intelligence
Its not American military intel, its whatever Netanyahu said.
The people who manipulated Trump into starting the war are the “traitors” in my book, though this isn’t the legal definition. Lindsey Graham shouldn’t be coached by Mossad on how to neurolinguistically program Trump’s 80yo mind into joining a war. That’s the most insane thing I have ever read. It is baffling that this happened. And I don’t trust “confirmed bachelor” Lindsey Graham in Tel Aviv in the Epstein era at all:
To help make the case on Iran, Graham traveled several times to Israel in recent weeks, meeting with members of the country's intelligence community. "They'll tell me things our own government won't tell me," he said. He spoke with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, coaching him on how to lobby the president for action. Netanyahu showed the president intelligence that persuaded Trump to go ahead, Graham said.
A law should be passed to deport people who do this to Mogadishu along with their nearest kin, extending even to second cousins, along with banning any of their interns of assistants from working in government. Imagine the best salesmen in the world working for years to figure out how to sell you something, and they are able to use a friend of yours to do so. They have an infinite budget and have collated tens of thousands of hours of your speeches and conversations to determine priming words and anchoring words according to your facial expressions and vocal tenor. Oh, and you’re 80 years old and easily impressionable. This is the capability of Mossad, plus infinitely more.
we call it all off now, Iran will probably finish arming themselves and nuke a civilian population, likely Israel
I would sooner support America formally declaring war on Israel than believe this, or support someone who believes this. This is not the assessment of the American intelligence community. This is an Israeli talking point.
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3d ago
There have been cases of the chant being used about potatoes and traffic. After 9/11, when Khamenei condemned the terror attacks, large crowds of Iranians held vigils, and some chanted “death to terrorism”. This is not the behavior of a nation that actually wants death inflicted upon a country.
We are not going to nuke their cities and raze their crops and exterminate civilians wholesale (which their government would certainly do to us if they had the capability).
Well, by the same token, Netanyahu calls Iran “Amalek”, which in the traditional telling, must be fully destroyed along with “all that they have […] both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey”. Do Israelis take this commandment literally? No; every Israeli cleric will explain that Amalek is a symbolic representation of evil. But if you’re Iran, you know what they’ve done to Gaza, and Iraq, and Syria, and Libya… so even a symbolic transliteration is not reassuring.
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4d ago
My memory is hazy but I do think we had to memorize at least some of the table.
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4d ago
It’s a reality in cultures with traditional conditioning, although I understand that it’s hard to imagine such a thing in our present culture where, as far as I can tell, there does not exist a single piece of media or art, or a even single role model, or even a song or a small paragraph of text, intended to condition the values of thanks, selfless love, meekness, or obedience in women. These are the fruits of traditional social value conditioning, with heroines and saints and God, and cultural behavioral techniques like meditation in the east and prayer in the West. Were you born in the time of Albrecht Dürer, girls would venerate “Mary meek and mild” in the same way they now venerate some ice skater or pop singer, and you would meet women like Mama Dürer who had zero stress despite living hell on earth:
We do know that he had a very close relationship to his mother, Barbara Dürer, who was only nineteen when Albrecht, her third child, was born. In the course of the following twenty-one years she gave birth to another fifteen children, the last in 1492. All but Dürer and two very much younger brothers died; as he describes it: ‘some in their childhood, others as they were growing up’. Reading his observations on his mother’s nature in his Family Chronicle, we are struck by the associations they evoke of contemplative descriptions of the Virgin Mother. Thus Dürer tells us that her favourite pastime was to speak of God and praise him, that she suffered ‘illnesses, poverty, mockery, contempt, and snide words, fears and obstacles, and yet felt no spite’, but quietly continued ‘her pious ways and acts of mercy to every man’, observing her children’s religious upbringing, and habitually receiving and dismissing Albrecht and his brothers with the same phrase: ‘Go in the name of Christ’.
On its face, training women in such a fashion does seem delusional, absurd, ridiculous… but the thing is, all the other options are even more delusional, and in fact have never been done before. Germany with its incredible maternal benefits failed to move the needle, and they will be a lot poorer for the next centuries. If what we want is happiness and existence then I think we have to throw away the false gods of individualism, “self-actualization”, and “education” (the very things which got us into this mess, and other messes).
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5d ago
Any resident OSINT predictions for the war? I feel like it’s impossible to determine what’s happening.
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5d ago
You can train boys to possess those masculine strengths just as you can train girls to possess their feminine strengths. This was the norm for a long time. “Gentlemen”, “virtuous”, “holy” depending on the period. There is a lot of time wasted in schools on less valuable materials. (We need every single person to learn science? The 95% of people who will never use the periodic table must spend a year memorizing it? There’s not a better way to select the scientifically-inclined at an early age, like by IQ and interest?)
The deal for women is that, instead of spending the 18,000 mostly-worthless hours in classrooms before graduating college, and instead of working a stressful occupation, you learn the fun skills that are valuable for happiness and not going extinct. You can probably accomplish this with only 500 hours if you use interesting and memorable material. Then maybe some of the remaining 17,500 hours can be spent on the things that are required for homemaking, like working with calendars and fiscal tables and babies. That leaves 16,000 hours totally free for women. They also don’t have to do the 80,000 hours of stressful work that the average person does. With that amount of time they can learn to promote happiness through their spirit and conduct, which actually comes naturally to women who are outside of the Western media / educational landscape. It is in a woman’s nature to see Punch the Monkey— which is a terrible name for a monkey — dealing with the alienated modern conditions of his enclosure, and feel the harm-reduction empathy response to shower the monkey in nurturing love while feeding him treats. It is not difficult to switch the object of this behavior from monkeys to husbands and children, as they have a number of similarities.
“Many husbands were not honorable or good around the house”, but bosses suck, and teachers suck. Some woman just killed herself through self-immolation after an affair with her boss in Congress. No one has a stronger biological motive to care about a woman than her husband, certainly not her boss or coworkers, and if the woman is pleasant to be around and helpful, then you are maximizing the odds of female felicity.
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The reason the industry wants to recruit women is because they want to spend less money on paying workers, so that they (the owners) can make more money. We really need to stop trusting business owners when they say there is a shortage of workers. A true shortage means that the owner no longer owns a mansion.
if you want a reasonable standard of living
I bet half of men would accept living a poorer lifestyle if it meant coming home from work to a sweet and stress-free woman who made delicious food with cheap healthy ingredients and beautified the whole house and wants to listen to how their day went. For such a wife, men would be happy with one pair of clothes and taking buses and living in a shack. Many men would give up all their luxuries for this singular luxury. What square footage, expensive watch, or number of baubles could ever compensate for a stressful partner who nags because both have to work and there are domestic duties that need to be done and everyone is exhausted and you have to order microplastic slop because no one was trained to cook or has time to cook? Hard to imagine more harm done to standard of living than this. Didn't we learn anything from Shrek? Or Rousseau?
But it takes two to tango, and it's not all down to "if only women weren't so uppity, problem solved"
You’ve got about a century to find the solution before the native Irish population is dropped to below 20%, ie you have lost the game of life. The most practical solution (because anyone can do it) is to form patriarchal microcultures where women are excommunicated for certain lines of work while commended to train in the traditional feminine arts. Then you can once again go back to the norm of happy families and SAHMs. You can share wealth from the wealthiest to the poorest members in this community, as was tradition in Christian Ireland for many-a-century. Then you just add some community rituals and you have yourself a functioning above-TFR community forever. The gypsies do this and they are dominating Europe’s TFR scene; the Irish travelers do it and have above 2 TFR. The alternative is to persuade the elites to care about their nation, which seems… delusional.
They already tried to destroy him utterly. He is banned from opening an account on most social media sites. His name is banned from search and your account could be flagged for just showing his face in posted content. This is like a homeless man with a knife trying to fight a Wall Street executive; the latter will capitulate. I suppose they can kill him, and that’s a distinct possibility.
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For the Groypers to exert political influence, they need to make it costly for politicians to ignore their interests. Fuentes may command the numbers to shift an election. The optimal strategy is to prove that you will defect if your interests aren’t addressed, to force cooperation with Republicans in later elections. If the Groypers just say that they will always vote R, then the Republican establishment has zero motive to cooperate with their interests.
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Fascism is when White people are excited to promote their collective flourishing and use the traditional means of art, ritual, hierarchy, and solemnity to accomplish it. It’s just anything that would successfully secure their exclusive interests. So, marches and men’s groups trigger “fascism”, but not if it’s hoteps / black panthers. Uniforms are fascist, songs are fascist, salutes are fascists. Characters like Pepe the Frog were fascist. Etc
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It is worth noting that the author explicitly identifies himself as opposed to Christian culture:
I suppose you could say I’m very much an outsider to Christianity. I grew up with a bad attitude toward it, and for good reason. People like me were just regularly abused and oppressed by bigoted and cruel Christian teachings. And so this book represents a real change of course for me
He admits that his own group enjoys the hallmark feature of nationalistic narrative-maintenance and victimhood, yet has not written any criticism about this:
As a Jew, I grew up immersed in a narrative of persecution, flight, exile, vulnerability, and vigilance. […] I feel an immense pride in America’s pluralism and tolerance while remaining conscious—as a Jew and also as a homosexual—of my status as a minority and an outsider.
He admits to being aligned with a unique heritage, culture, ethical sense, and outlook:
I am Jewish by heritage and culture, atheist by belief […] I have Jewish ethics, Jewish sense of humor, Jewish outlook—pretty much everything Jewish
There is little reason to believe that he is arguing earnestly here. This is like if a Saudi American who talks about his identity as a Gulf Arab wrote an article criticizing Canada’s use of fossil fuels. He would never write an article condemning Israel for “its insistence that the country is not just a collection of individuals but a people, a mystically defined and ethnically pure group bound together by shared blood, culture, and destiny”. He would claim that that is Different, for Reasons.
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What is the engine of capitalism, good will to all men and peace on earth? Our economic ideology is rooted in jealousy, and the jealous rise to the top to be crowned "billionaire". You need a jealous temperament to spend so much life behind spreadsheets making Number Go Up at the slot machine company. Without that temperament, it would be difficult to find motivation for such time-consuming and unrewarding work. Some billionaires are even open about being rooted in jealousy, like Ellison who admits to being motivated by personal vanity, whose favorite quote is “it is not sufficient that I succeed, everyone else must fail".
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7d ago
This is a collective action problem:
(1) It is in the atomized individual’s interest to focus exclusively on money, status, and physical beauty at the expense of other considerations, in order to maximize mate choice. (2) This individual self-interest will only increase the success of a small percent of the total population, and only temporarily, because the advice will quickly become the common recommendation, and soon after the required weekly chore, like getting frequent haircuts and new shoes and going to college and being on apps; because status is zero sum, you have succeeded only in raising the number of chore hours globally, because when everyone exercises, then no one is unusually attractive for having a gym body. This is akin to finding a broken new build in a video game: great success for a week, then everyone uses it, then the game is less fun for everyone. (3) Because this raises the bar on the number of chore hours per week, you have greatly decreased the odds of ever solving the root problem, which requires men giving up on self-interest maximization in order to cooperate in pursuit of collective interest; in this case, the collective interest involves conservative social norms, religiosity, and a greater intrinsic status asymmetry between men and women, and some other complex “social technologies”. (4) The end result is that everyone becomes a South Korean, except worse because the Westerner is not genetically suited for that kind of grind; everyone will spend all their free time trying to be more attractive than the next man, in order to win the affection of increasingly picky women. Soon enough, you will be laughed at if you’re not using AI to write tailored messages according to the projected ovulation window of your dating app match as determined by certain keywords and response times after you sent phenotypically-informed memes chosen by an online service out of India. A grizzly prospect. Meanwhile there will be endless scroll AI porn.
The high TFR groups have solved this issue by giving up on self-interest entirely and maximizing for collective interest. The Amish share their wealth and ban vanity and train women to be gracious; the Salafists condemn male and female beautification and force women to obey their father’s marriage wishes; etc. They never exercise, they have no “game”, they look ridiculous and they have 5 or more children. It was really easy in 1950 to enforce monogamous pairings by policing female behavior through shame spread by gossip, but this is impossible when scrolling apps show them the most handsome man in their vicinity who unbeknownst to them goes on two separate and successful dates per week, and when “social” media involving gossip is pretty much over.
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On July 17th the Trump birthday card was first publicly reported in the WSJ; that same day, Trump called for Iran to unconditionally surrender, and he began striking Iran on the 22nd. Recall that Israel may have previously blackmailed Clinton with the Lewinsky tapes. One researcher believes this was related to the “Mega” investigation:
https://www.wrmea.org/1999-april-may/gideons-spies-the-secret-history-of-the-mossad.html
Thomas implies that downgrading the FBI search for “Mega,” just when the circle of suspects had been narrowed down, was linked to Clinton succumbing to Israeli blackmail based on the Mossad’s tapes of his telephone conversations with Monica.
Mega was some mysterious person or entity which was a conduit of the Israeli government. It likely referred to Wexner’s influence operation:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/jan/10/inside-ring-former-nsa-counterspy-says-jeffrey-eps/
Former National Security Agency counterspy John Schindler says he has connected the intelligence dots regarding the late convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein and linked him to an Israeli influence operation.
“the heart of the Epstein saga was a clandestine intelligence operation devoted to compromising and blackmailing rich and powerful people,” Mr. Schindler said.
”We know that MEGA was viewed by Israel intelligence officials as a vehicle for espionage and influence operations in the United States,” Mr. Schindler concluded. “We know that it was co-founded by Jeffrey Epstein’s billionaire benefactor. The rest remains speculation.”
Re Epstein and Mega: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/inside-jeffrey-epsteins-decades-long-relationship-with-his-biggest-client
During the 1990s, both Epstein’s and Wexner’s profiles grew on the world stage. In 1991, Wexner cofounded a philanthropic organization of Jewish billionaires known as the Mega Group, which uses some of its vast resources to shape Middle East policy. In 2003, Wexner’s foundation commissioned GOP messaging guru Frank Luntz to advise American Jewish leaders on how to rally support for Israel. “For a year—a SOLID YEAR—you should be invoking the name of Saddam Hussein and how Israel was always behind American efforts to rid the world of this ruthless dictator and liberate their people,” Luntz’s recommendation stated.
It’s possible that the first time Israel blackmailed an American president, it was to stop an investigation into the Wexner-Epstein blackmail ring. The second time they blackmailed the president, it was using the very material from that blackmail ring. I’m convinced that the Trump birthday card is significant in this regard. It is really hard to look at this and not conclude they are referring to underage girls. There is some notable secret shared between Trump and Epstein, which involves an enjoyment that can’t be named; it is the one thing “more to life than having everything”; after they agree on this secret pleasure, Trump writes “enigmas never age”, and Epstein replies “this was clear to me the last time I saw you”. It was, ostensibly, written by Trump, with his signature on the bush of a woman’s silhouette, while another entry from the birthday book (Joel Paschow) implies that Epstein had “sold” a woman to Trump:
a photo shows Epstein holding a large novelty check for $22,500 with a "DJTRUMP" signature. An accompanying note jokes that Epstein sold a "'fully depreciated' [woman] to Donald Trump for $22,500." The New York Times reported the page was made by Joel Pashcow, a member of Trump's Mar-a-Lago Club.
There’s one last piece of evidence toward this conspiracy theory (truly the platonic ideal of a conspiracy theory): the Israel-Trump-Guccifer election interference story.
I can reveal here the details of an elaborate covert operation personally directed by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that aimed to use secret intelligence to clandestinely intervene at the highest levels in the presidential election on behalf of Trump.
As part of the Mueller investigation, the bureau had conducted an extensive search for any foreign interference in the 2016 election, and the warrant was directed at securing the Google accounts of a mysterious Israeli agent acting under the direction of someone identified as “PM.” The FBI agent who wrote the affidavit noted, “I believe ‘PM’ refers to the ‘Prime Minister.’”
He would dispatch a discreet, highly trusted aide, armed with critical intelligence, to covertly “intervene” in the US election to help put his man Trump in the White House. Based on the FBI documents, the intelligence appears to have consisted of advance knowledge of Russia’s hacking of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, and it may have included confidential details from the stolen e-mails. It was likely obtained by Israeli eavesdropping operations that were targeting secret Russian communications, as well as those of WikiLeaks.
According to the FBI warrant, the same day that Stone communicated with the Israeli agent, he began Googling some very strange terms, including “guccifer” and “dcleaks.” It would be nearly a month before those same terms would make headlines around the world. On June 14, The Washington Post reported that the DNC had been hacked by Russian government agents. The next day, someone calling himself “Guccifer 2.0” took credit for the attack. He claimed to be an American hacktivist, but according to a Justice Department indictment in July 2018, he was actually a Russian GRU employee. Soon afterward, the website DCLeaks—another front for the GRU—began releasing hacked Democratic Party documents.
The prospect of an October Surprise, along with the offer of critical intelligence, apparently got Trump’s attention. On September 25, he and his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, met privately with Netanyahu and Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer in his Trump Tower penthouse. Later that day, he publicly announced that if he was elected, his administration would finally “recognize Jerusalem as the undivided capital of the State of Israel.”
Trump being compromised would explain the great lengths Israel went to get Trump elected, eg preparing for “the Russians” (lmao???) hacking and releasing the DNC emails. (As one final conspiratorial tie-in, probably not material but more of a fun fact: 4chan’s /pol/ was instrumental, if not focal, in getting the Trump train going and in searching through the Hillary emails. Epstein met with m00t, the owner of 4chan, shortly before the political board opened, and there are a number of emails where he shares threads from the site, though it’s mostly cartoon porn.).
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the relaxed standard you used for Palestinian Arabs -- having ancestry in the area -- and applies it to other groups, e.g. the Jews, it follows that Israel is -- by your reasoning -- Jewish land.
The reason to bring up ancestry is to debunk your claim that “the entire area has been invaded by so many different groups over the years there's no way to say one group has exclusive ownership.” When the Mandate ended, ownership belongs to who owns the land, just as it did before; the Palestinian land was possessed for many dozens of generations locally. The population of the owners of property did not change. We know from DNA they were there forever. There was no population transfusion as you appear to suggest. They are the indigenous owners of land. The British Mandate did not ban private property.
What should be done about the attempts of Palestinian Arabs to steal what is -- by your own principles -- Jewish land?
I already answered that land questions should be determined by an independent body of experts.
You could have laid out your principles from the very beginning of this exchange when I asked you to explain how "Palestinian Land" got to be "Palestinian Land."
I did. The land was owned by Palestinians since the Iron Age. It became private property under the empires. Why would the land suddenly go to someone from Poland or New York? Once the war ended, you had the declaration of an Israeli state, and you had “Arab” associations declare their state.
You could have laid out your principles from the very beginning
I did in a bunch of comments. “(1) state sponsored (2) terrorism (3) which expelled the native inhabitants or owners of the land (4) evidenced by solid historiography”. And in a separate comment: “If there is some ancestral quarter for Jews in Baghdad and the government made them flee through terrorism, they should have that back or be offered compensation.” And other things in other comments. I do not believe that land acquired through the violation of customary international law should go to the terroristic violators. My principles are that —
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land acquired through terrorism after 193x should not go to terrorists,
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based on the 1907 codification of international law, which was
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recognized as applicable globally by the end of the 1930s at Nuremberg,
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and further articulated in one of my first comments to you: “a solid rule: if Israelis used terrorism to cleanse the land, that land should be returned to Palestinians”
Meanwhile, you are just continuing to ask pointed and perhaps insincere questions…
That's what you did for Hebron. The Jews were undeniably ethnically cleansed but you went searching and found some allegations of bad conduct against some Jews which could then be used to argue that Jewish interest in Hebron was forever waived.
What you have presented is something called an unevidenced opinion. For me, literally pointing at rules and events is not enough evidence; for you, merely saying “it is undeniable” is enough. I even asked if you wanted to discuss only Hebron, but you declined. But hey, if an international body says that Jews in Hebron were indeed cleansed, either through the local government’s will or willful disregard, then they should get the land back! Why should it be up to me, mere commentator? Perhaps what you were trying to do is create some false equivalence between the Jews ethnically cleansing hundreds of thousands of people through terrorism, and what Palestinians were doing?
What’s great about the OP documents is that there are signatures and confessions about their intention and will and success and approval in using terrorism to take land that didn’t belong to them. You have the government actually admitting to doing this, and then crowning the terrorist who killed 40 people with the state’s highest honor. It’s not an allegation, it’s not a confusing story, it’s very strong evidence from what I can tell. So you when said “what about Hebron” (not even specifying the date, mind you, leaving me to guess), you are forcing me to wade through a swamp of historical minutiae to figure out whether the event qualifies in the same way. Maybe it does? Maybe it doesn’t? It seems like it kind of doesn’t, although it was still very bad?
In previous conflicts they were not able to reign missiles down on Tel Aviv. Also we had other crazy sand people dying for us. Neither Americans nor Israelis are able to sustain consistently high sand people mortality figures. The key questions of this war IMO are (1) can we actually find all the ballistic missiles and (2) how easy is it to make a TEL. I haven’t found any expert even hazarding a guess on these except to say that making a TEL is pretty trivial stuff.
I don’t think anyone has a clear idea what is happening. But we have not announced any new leaders being killed after the “trick your opponent into coming to the negotiation table and then slaughter their family” strategy, right?
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