daguerrean
22d ago
I don’t want people to be fired for comments on social media, but I see the open celebration of murder as really socially corrosive and incredibly disturbing. In my view something must be done about it. Ideally social media like Reddit would simply treat it with the same aggressive censorship they reserve for anti-trans comments. But if social media can’t or won’t do something about it I will accept cancellation as it’s better than letting this go unchecked. There is almost nothing in my mind more important than combatting the bloodthirst we saw this week.
daguerrean
22d ago
I’m am just about 85% finished with A True History of the Conquest of New Spain. A fantastic first hand account by one of Cortez’ men, a book I was shocked I’d never heard of. I can give a bit of a review in a day or two when finished if anyone is interested, but for now I’ll just say I recommend it highly. Even in translation from 1850 it is extremely easy to read, fast paced and exciting.
daguerrean
22d ago
I had also always put him in the same bucket as Crowder and Shapiro, one of these generic “own the libs/facts don’t care about your feelings” debate bro types. Strangely after his death I discovered my wife had frequently watched him on TikTok and thought very highly of his intelligence and eloquence.
daguerrean
22d ago
The acts themselves are not particularly concerning, but the reaction is. None of the acts you listed engendered widespread open celebration by normal people.
daguerrean
23d ago
You’re being egregiously rude for reasons that are unclear to me. Perhaps you are hurt because your entirely speculative theory was not well received. You still have avoided all the myriad criticisms repeated by numerous comments and have just retreated deeper and deeper into sneering sarcasm
daguerrean
23d ago
I haven't hung around here much for years, but every reply I'm getting is like... multiple standard deviations below my expectations
You’re the one claiming he had no discernible political motivations despite inscribing multiple antifascist slogans on his bullets and his family describing his fervent devotion to politics. You’re also the idiot claiming that a sniper would have packed up and left without taking a shot if he just avoided making any trans-related statement. Frankly these are just idiotic comments
daguerrean
23d ago
I play a lot of HoI4 and have never heard of this song. Considering another of his messages was explicitly antifascist what do you think is the logical association here? This sophistry needs to stop. His family has stated his political leanings. This is not a mystery anymore
daguerrean
23d ago
The level of dishonesty I’m seeing about his motives is making feel truly insane. I don’t even think most the people saying he was a Groyper could even possibly believe it themselves. There is a degree of cynicism and joyful deceit that I’m finding hard to comprehend. I have come to believe in the true evil of our enemies.
daguerrean
24d ago
Do you want more vigilante killings?
They are openly saying yes, they love vigilante assassinations. Your colleagues are stating explicitly that they support murders and you are perhaps too emotionally invested in the uprightness of your tribe that you’re unwilling to take them seriously.
daguerrean
24d ago
The argument I’m seeing from the left that he was actually a Groyper and all the antifascist slogans were ironic has an amusing resemblance to Holocaust denial. By this I mean the old “It didn’t happen but if it did happen it would’ve been a good thing.” As in, “He wasn’t killed by a leftist but we leftists think killing him is a good thing.” Which is what makes it seem so absurd, if your ideology leads you to support his assassination, is it really so surprising someone sharing your ideology did it?
daguerrean
24d ago
Why are we overthinking this? He wrote multiple explicitly antifascist slogans on the bullets. In every case of someone writing on bullets/guns that I know of, be it Tarrant or Mangione it has been an earnest (if meme-filled) expression of their beliefs.
daguerrean
25d ago
I much prefer the types of Fuentes or, better yet, Sam "Hitler's Top Guy" Hyde to those disingenuous establishment figures
These guys are even less sincere. Just because you’re fringe doesn’t magically make you more earnest. These guys are just performing characters even less convincingly
daguerrean
25d ago
If any male I knew got any cosmetic surgery I would think much less of him. Doing such a thing is just unseemly and womanly.
I’m assuming you must be very young and single?
daguerrean
25d ago
What is the point of a tattoo that is not intended to appeal to others? Do you intend to sit and stare at your own thigh?
daguerrean
25d ago
You’re assiduously dodging the same objection multiple people have brought up to you.
daguerrean
25d ago
No. In the analogy car ownership=gun ownership. Some bad actors will ill use cars, some will ill use guns. It is exactly analogous as I stated it. Should I be accepting of the possibility I will be killed by a drunk driver if I support car ownership? Yes, I suppose. But virtually no one would say my death is deserved, laughable or worthy of mockery because of it.
Car=gun. Drunk driver=insane assassin.
daguerrean
25d ago
Most everyone supports the right to own and drive cars despite the accepted cost of traffic deaths and drunk drivers. If I was killed by a drunk driver would the fair response be “Well, he supported car ownership so his death is deserved”?
daguerrean
26d ago
None of that changes the sheer giddiness and overt schadenfreude of the anonymous leftist redditor or tiktok'er
Yes. Browsing Reddit today has been eye opening, if not entirely surprising. The open glee upvoted across every subreddit is only really comparable to the Mangione murder. At this point it hardly matters to me who actually did the shooting
Yes, I recall a good deal of sympathizing even here, of all places. I wonder if Kirk’s assassination has caused many of those people to reconsider. Or is it just another case of “no bad methods only bad targets”?
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