daguerrean
6mo ago
Really? My friend (now a Republican state senator lol) and I were joking about "jewbs" all the time in high school in 2006. Granted about half the girls in our school were Jewish so we may have been in an usual situation...
daguerrean
6mo ago
Has there ever been a Motte meetup? I imagine we’re too few for it
daguerrean
6mo ago
Exactly as I would have said just much more intelligent and coherent. Thank you for elucidating my point!
daguerrean
6mo ago
But do lower class men actually like larger breasts more than upper class men, or are upper class men just more sensitive to appearing vulgar and crass and temper/moderate their responses? What do you think of the boobs vs butts phenomenon where the map of global preferences looks suspiciously like an IQ map? And Jewish women being known for their breasts?
daguerrean
6mo ago
His saved quotes just read as like something I'll call "self-improvement bro". A mix of pretty standard quotes from Marcus Aurelius, Bruce Lee, Albert Einstein and Aldous Huxley etc. It is truly odd that not even one jumps out at me as explicitly leftist or mentioning corporations. It seems more likely to me based on this that he listened to Joe Rogan than Chapo Traphouse.
daguerrean
6mo ago
you either need to present them with a better (by their light, not yours) alternative...The reason why people like Tate have an audience is that both mainstream red-tribe Christianity and mainstream blue-tribe feminism are lying about what women want. The rest of the culture need to find a non-toxic way of sharing the truth if they don't want to be outcompeted.
I agree with these bits, that essentially you need to offer a more persuasive product. I think for parents that are intelligent and informed it is not so difficult to do this. For example my father always gave me a sort of "redpilled" view on HBD, and being a geneticist it wasn't hard for him to make a more convincing case than netflix and my grade school teachers. For parents that are stupid and don't lead exemplary lives (as arguments can be made by words or by examples) I think unfortunately for them their children are at the mercy of the broader culture.
daguerrean
6mo ago
I believe this same dynamic applies to "harm reduction" policies more broadly, like safe injection sites where they give drug users free clean needles and promise not to arrest them for drug usage. People only accept "harm reduction" when it's something they really don't have a problem with to begin with, so the whole framing is dishonest. Would they accept "harm reduction" centers for domestic violence? Perhaps we could offer boxing gloves and have doctors on hand so you could bring your wife and beat her up in a safe way that didn't cause any serious or permanent damage. I don't need to poll leftists to know they would be opposed to this no matter how many studies I had.
daguerrean
6mo ago
I have no idea who Michael Vasser is and you allude to “local Vasserite” without ever explaining the situation in a coherent way. It sounds like you are trying to describe fights within your local friend group.
daguerrean
6mo ago
Let's apply this to architecture, and McMansions in particular. What makes a Mansion Mc is its tackiness. It is the effort to signal wealth, while cheating out on some details which render the whole display tacky
Yes I believe this is the essence of McMansions. It is a house that is too large and too grandiose for their budget and setting. Construction and materials are cheap, lot is too small, interior often features empty rooms or areas too sparsely furnished, has features like a grand staircase in the entryway that is too large for the house. The key is that for the same budget they could have had a smaller house, well constructed with quality and attention to detail, but they chose to opt for superficial grandiosity above all else. It is this surface level artifice and superficiality that reveals the tasteless mindset one focused on appearances rather than more important qualities. A tasteful person is supposed to recognize that a what qualities are more important, but furthermore they are supposed to recognize that others will perceive this in them.
daguerrean
6mo ago
It's also very possible there was a fourth bullet in the gun labeled "Delay" that jammed or otherwise wasn't fired.
daguerrean
6mo ago
Mark David Chapman killed John Lennon in very similar fashion in New York City and was undeniably insane with incoherent and deeply personal motives. Alternatively at times he has described the motives as due to Lennon's blasphemous statements, Lennon's hypocritical lifestyle, or to promote the book Catcher in the Rye. He had attempted suicide on numerous occasions. Despite his insanity he had planned the murder over a month in advance and flew all the way from Hawaii to do it, located John Lennon and waited outside his home until the opportunity presented itself.
daguerrean
6mo ago
Exactly. Even without considering the possibility that the murder is non-ideological, assassins often have incoherent worldviews that do not cleanly map to tribal politics as normally understood by the non-insane. Perhaps he believed the insurance company to be responsible for implanting a mind-control device in his brain or some other similarly schizo reason. Time will tell presumably
daguerrean
6mo ago
we have two right-wing parties of varying extremity
I hate it when anyone says this and it is a dead giveaway they are a completely dishonest extremist. You could equally accurately say we have two left-wing parties of varying extremity because neither party supports slavery.
daguerrean
6mo ago
As I said, I agree that it was obviously targeted and not a random mugging-gone-wrong or random psychopath. But that just suggests that killing him was the specific intent. How often are CEOs assassinated by aggrieved customers or for political reasons? It surely happens, Red Army Faction stuff in Germany in the 70s comes to mind, but I would venture a guess that Bayes' should still favor personal reasons as being overwhelmingly more likely.
daguerrean
6mo ago
What makes you think it was an assassination? He was obviously the intended target, but why couldn't he have been killed for typical murder reasons, jealous lover, financial gain etc? I mean we will surely find out in time.
daguerrean
6mo ago
My interpretation would be that things like LGBT propaganda/feminism/etc are relatively new and so previous generations were not selected for people with resistance or immunity to them. So you have a new virus burning through a population that has zero immunity to it, it's going to wipe out a lot of the population before things stabilize. I have no idea how long it will take for evolution to course correct here, and hopefully it happens before things get really unpleasant, but I don't doubt that it will correct eventually.
Holy shit, it wasn’t So this goes even deeper than I imagined. How many are there?
Edit: Upon reflection the naming of “Suicide Girls” is just too wonderful and appropriate to my post. God smiles on me
[Apologies in advance for bringing up an old story, but I couldn't find any record of discussion of it]
Deep downthread in the election megathread @Folamh3 linked to a wonderful article you might all enjoy, but that's really beside the point. I want to talk about something mentioned within the article, namely a commercial. I'll copy the article's description here:
Jennyfer Hatch, thirty-seven, was euthanized in October 2022, having given up hope of resolving the chronic pain caused by Ehlers-Danlos syndrome. She told friends that she was “falling through the cracks,” unable to access the state support she needed in order to go on living. Her desperate choice to die was glorified in a glossy TV commercial titled “All Is Beauty,” produced by the Canadian fashion retailer Simons. “Last breaths are sacred,” says Hatch in the commercial, released on the day after her death.
Here is the commercial in question that seems to have been almost entirely scrubbed from Youtube.. This kicked off a series of only vaguely connected thoughts I lack the ability to synthesize, but perhaps you all can put it together more successfully than me.
Burgers?
Of course there's a certain element of "Burgers?" to a commercial about suicide for an upscale department store. But I feel a few other elements of the commercial are curious to me. Take this screenshot from the ad, does this not look like a scene from Midsommar? Why are all the participants women? Why are they all White? This seems to frame the euthanasia as some sort of White feminist religious ritual, possibly connected with nature worship.
Suicide Girls
I'll note that the euthanized woman was described as having Ehlers Danlos. Anyone that has casually explored "SickTok" in the past few years will have surely heard of this condition. While I'm sure it's a real disease in some cases, there is undeniably a trend among young women sharing this concept with each other. I actually first encountered this disease when exploring the twitter of a porn model (so sue me) at least a dozen or more years ago. It struck me at the time as an obviously invented attention-seeking condition that allowed her to post hospital selfies every few weeks and be continually weak and bedridden with no obvious externally visible symptoms.
My second encounter with this disease was my cousin. My cousin is a few years younger than me and fifteen years ago was a sufferer of gluten sensitivity of one form or another (when it was popular for everyone to be suffering from it). About three years ago I heard she was now suffering from Ehlers Danlos.
It strikes me as telling I first encountered this in a porn model as I now consider them to be sort of canaries-in-the-coalmine for female neuroses and social messaging, obviously being more susceptible than most to these things.
Antinatalism, Environmentalism, Suicidality and Leftism
Here I'm just going to wave my hands in the general direction of The Socialist Phenomenon with its lengthy sections relating the running theme of suicide pervading socialist movements (Christian and otherwise) throughout human history. If you ever visit the /r/antinatalism subreddit you'll notice the distinctly leftist and often environmentalist concerns of its posts. In contrast, as pessimistic and addicted-to-doomposting as the far right can be I've never detected a major suicidal or antinatalist current on /pol/ for example. As an aside, see the movie First Reformed, it's horrible.
So what to make of this? I don't know exactly how to piece it together but there is some common through-line that connects feminism, White people, desire to be ill, environmentalism and suicide. Just wanted to hear whatever thoughts this commercial might spark in you all, as I don't really know how to connect the dots myself in a satisfactory way. Apologies if this is not coherent or focused enough for a top-level post.
daguerrean
6mo ago
But burning their credibility to get at Fuentes is worth it for them, I guess?
Come on, no serious credibility is on the line here. When I bullied the autistic kid in high school was I seriously asserting he was homosexual? No, it was fun because it caused him to sperg out.
daguerrean
6mo ago
If the threat of jail time is not enough, she also wrecked whatever goodwill she had by having had an affair with the same man Nick Fuentes was being rumored with, Destiny.
Ecelebs seem to reach a certain level of fame and just become a reality show of incestuous dating, relationships and breakups. Like Sam Hyde after losing his Adult Swim show has since retreated to "Fishtank Live" which as far as I can tell is a literal eceleb reality dating show and he routinely makes videos featuring has-beens like Star Wars Fatty and iDubbbz and attempting to "call out" others like Hasan.
daguerrean
6mo ago
https://www.firstthings.com/article/2023/10/we-are-repaganizing
Okay, it's really beside the point of the article and only mentioned in passing, but somehow I had never seen that Simons commercial about that woman getting euthanized. The Culture War Thread has probably already discussed this, but holy crap I really want to. I mean aside from the obvious "Burgers?" element the entire vibe of the commercial is just bizarre. It seems to position it as some kind of feminist ritual (everyone congregating on the beach in cultist-looking clothes appears to be women). I mean, does this not look like a scene from Midsommar?
Edit: Interestingly they all appear to be White
daguerrean
6mo ago
they had explainers on how to lie to family members about it. They had people showing up even in tiny communities like this to dress up the propaganda line in rationalist colors and make it go down smoother. They had YouTubers paid to go on rants about how it was all in our imagination and anyway it was just Corporate Greed.
Don't take this the wrong way (I agree with you), I'm not trying to pull a Reddit "source?" move, but I would genuinely love to see links for each of these things.
daguerrean
6mo ago
Forsaking your flesh for Christ - there's at least a real dilemma there. That's at least an interesting problem. But forsaking your flesh for the abstract idea of democracy and the rule of law?
I know that this view (I'm not sure what to call it, post-Rationalist?) has a cadre of supporters on TheMotte as I've seen it numerous times over the years. I imagine because it has a certain meta-contrarian appeal and draws on a yearning of reactionaries that perceive modern western Whites as too domesticated, too deracinated and slavishly devoted to abstract Enlightenment concepts to the point of their own destruction. This view seems to have a kind of admiration for the naked tribalism of American blacks ("He wuz a good boy!") that supersedes any attachment to honesty or justice.
This view is just repellent to me. I'm all for White nationalism and family loyalty and nepotism and blah blah blah, but Hunter Biden is 54 not 18 and Joe Biden is the President not some random guy. If the cops found a teenager's drug stash and his father stepped up and claimed the drugs to be his, taking the fall to protect this son, sure, I could see that as honorable and respectable.
daguerrean
6mo ago
They've got the IQ and self-restraint of like a ten-year old child. I don't really know who it benefits to keep creating people without the skills necessary to live in modern society and then, when they fail to live in modern society, say "Yeah, they deserve to be tortured for that".
It is my impression that the average progressive thinks this same way, just without the IQ obsession. Whether it is nature or nurture, either way it is not the criminal or homeless man's fault, he is simply a victim of his circumstances. This then leads to some bizarre conclusion that we are morally obligated to suffer their depredations as penance for being a functional part of the society that inflicts this life upon them.
Perhaps we don't need to make them suffer, but I don't understand how this doesn't lead to the conclusion that these people should be locked away for life in a minimally-cruel prison, just for the sake of keeping them away from the rest of us.
This immediately jumped out at me:
Is it common in India to use this kind of terminology?
Also the basis of the murder charge against him was humorous to me:
Is this actually treated as a legally plausible claim in India?
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