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dailydogma
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dailydogma
12hr ago
Because even taking all of that impotent screed as a given, he still outperforms pretty much all of the rest of our expert class.
I'm inclined to agree with you. I wanted to say something similar to the stuff in this thread about there being „scientific geniuses” at Anthropic (AI is just Indians throwing shit at the wall until it randomly sticks, there is no genius put into it), but alas I decided on Trump.
How much sillier a joke the other nations of the world?
True. If just one country could start a eugenics program ...
Trump is 80 years old and is literally brain damaged. He's falling asleep in the Oval Office on camera and has leukemia or something bruising his hand. Why do people continue to worship this fat orange clown? He is dumb and belongs in the nursing home not the White House. The United States is a fake joke country.
Digwa is acting with virtue in a warlike tribal society. Do you like those virtues in the practical application?
The boomer? Yes, he acted fine. The guy on crutches was annoying and entitled and I don't want to pay taxes to defend him.
Apparently this is the pole vs the sikh in britain, got the case wrong. So, in every warlike society, murdering over a quarrel was seen as excessive. please read a book like Romeo and Juliet, the Bible, the Iliad, literally almost any pre modern or very early modern text on this.
Modernity favors cooperation, rule/norm-following, individualism, but also self-promotion, narcissism, materialism, strategic coldness, status management, narrative control, and the ability to dominate without looking like a brute.
Modernity favors blacks, Muslims, the low IQ, and people with ADHD. That's what the fertility trends show. Capitalism rewards your type of person with money, but they are so unfit and contrary to nature that they fail to even reproduce with it. But they spend on it interfering with high quality peoples' reproduction.
You are treating "warrior values" as though they are eternal truths rather than the self-justifying morality of a particular ruling caste.
You said I am stupid and cannot see the whole system, but then you pull out this ready-made-for-you concept of „caste.” Higher men are fine at being warriors but they are not just of a „particular caste”. They can also be good merchants and priests and these things are not even necessarily separate professions. You are using limiting concepts that don't seem warranted.
Capitalism does not want anything, it is not sentient.
Want is used in that, it behaves as to achieve the thing which it „wants.” That does not mean it has qualia; the whole issue is it's a powerful pattern, like a storm, but it has no qualia, also like a storm. And like a bad storm it can wipe out humans, and it's worse than any storm in recorded history, it has severely damaged our gene pool.
It is up to a society to use Capitalism and Profit as a tool of how they see fit.
Capitalism is that which has enabled the lowly to have power over the high. It's like the devil and the lowly have a deal with it. So capitalism reproduces lowly people in exchange for the destruction of the high. It's a util black hole, it kills off beautiful qualia havers and leaves the dreadful while capitalism itself only consume utils and doesn't actually have them.
dailydogma
5d ago
one would need to account for local selection pressures
No, that's what made good people/humanity. You do not need to „account“ for it.
Sounds like you reject warlike values. That is, manliness, courage, honour, bravery, leadership, assertiveness. See, you do know what I mean when I say virtue, you just want to reject virtue. But everybody knows that weakness, deceit, cowardice, long housedness, and going with the rabble are lowly characteristics. That's the problem, that people with those inferior traits get money at all. It's not because being warlike isn't adaptive for men, it's because man is beset by non-conscious entities which eat at his soul and rob him. Yes, capitalism likes the low, because capitalism is a demon and wants slaves in the form of degraded men. Worshiping that demon leads to race degeneration and we're seeing it. It's very real and powerful but it ought to be fought instead of given into with a shrug and a „what is good, anyway? Maybe the demon called Modernity favors herbivore-men ... who am I to judge?“
dailydogma
5d ago
How about we just weight all the measures by historical incidence rate? I think we all naturally conceive of what kind of measure that produces. The argument about virtue is boring and disingenuous and mostly just bad people coping.
dailydogma
5d ago
Why do you think you would be spared, @dailydogma?
I don't know, and I don't care because my ideas aren't me me me. Sounds like your objection to the idea is simply Me Me Me, though. And nothing was mentioned regarding extirpation, but I guess to spoiled brats, the world order ceasing to revolve around pandering to their own whims might feel like extirpation. Too bad.
dailydogma
5d ago
Let's not pretend like we don't know what virtue is.
dailydogma
6d ago
Still, even 1350 doesn't seem like a top level company talent to me.
A lot of the Asians probably start there before studying for the exam for years.
I had a score 200 point higher almost 2 decades ago and didn't get into Stanford or MIT, despite a solid GPA and being a 2 sport athlete and having won multiple academic competitions quite casually.
Are you white? From a conservative state, even?
And when I graduated from a T1 state school with an engineering degree I wasn't picking between dozens of offers from FAANG (or the then equivalent) companies, I was deciding between a mediocre private sector offer or law school, again despite not being average at the state school, but being a high performer.
The subtext of your comment comes off as a sort of naïve faith that we live in a meritocracy. But, in reality, the correlation between wealth and intelligence is around 0.40.
But perhaps OpenAI is not an elite company so I shouldn't think much on it.
Maybe a lot of 120 IQ people are good enough for so-called elite companies? What do they do, anyway? Vibe code? Webscrape? No one really has a „genius job,” like they want you to think.
We don't live in a Sperg's paradise where the nerd gets the job, we live in normieland where luxury jobs are handed out through political means. You should be the right race, right university background, have the right advisor, have the right recommendations, know the right people, belong to the right Party, be from the right hometown. Plenty of 140 IQ men from Alabama end up as prosecutors in Bumpkinsville after getting rejected from HYPSM due to whiteness and conservatism, going to their state university instead of the most fashionable alternative they were admitted to, and failing to relocate to New York City for reasons involving their background, family, race, party, and so on. Meanwhile plenty of 125 IQ Asians from SF end up working in „frontier lab” after „Stanford” or at least „UC Berkely EECS” and recommendation from „prestigious internship” at a company that is 60%+ their race.
dailydogma
6d ago
1200 SAT I think is more like 110 IQ, not 120. I think 1300 or 1350 is more like 90th percentile.
dailydogma
6d ago
They fit into the midwit reasoning pattern, which is by heuristic, instead of direct.
dailydogma
6d ago
There are still plenty of schoolteachers at that number (roughly translates to a 1200 SAT).
There are also plenty of OpenAI researchers at that number.
dailydogma
6d ago
I'm just assuming people of 140+ IQ will mostly have a decent level of intellectual sophistication without trying too hard. Even Scott Alexander is a scientific racist.
dailydogma
6d ago
many of my super intelligent friends (I’m talking top 1%, ML researcher at OpenAI and the like)
Are they Asian? If so they're probably 1) not top 1%, just appear to be, and 2) racist, just for Asians and not whites.
dailydogma
6d ago
As magick for controlling the cattle.
dailydogma
6d ago
Nah, I'd happily keep my current SES in exchange for getting to enact my ideal policy. If the group includes me I'd be fine to be excluded, because the idea is more important than my wallet. Same with eugenics, it's not about my reproduction, it's about the future of humanity.
dailydogma
6d ago
I'll defend the old you. First, you have to wonder, how do you really get that way? You mention a bunch of former-Marxist sounding causes having to do with early childhood and the wheel of historical materialism turning and therefore the collapse of obligation based social relations, but the reality is most people are just born that way. The heritability of narcissism has been estimated to be as high as 77%, similar to other DSM diagnoses like ADHD and schizophrenia. Where do those genes come from? In reality traits exist on a continuum, and psychiatrists label people at the tails. The people at the tails are produced by meiotic recombination. The mean and variance that controls how frequently such people occurred is controlled by evolution. Schizophrenia correlates with creativity, and ADHD with adventurousness and energy, so eradicating the genes for those means getting rid of creative, energetic, and adventurous people. Obviously that's bad. What about narcissism? Well, it correlates with Big 5 disagreeableness. That measures how much truth-to-power someone speaks. Are you willing to offend someone for a greater good or do you cower to their demands? It correlates with leadership. Honestly, every leader must be above average narcissism, I mean how else would they get the idea they should be in that position?
The tail-end concept also leads to the question, what is the opposite of these disorders? What's at the other tail? The answer is apparently some type of autism for schizophrenia, something called sluggish tempo for ADHD, and I think the opposite of narcissism is masochistic personality.
I'm guessing that you don't have diagnosed NPD, so it would be unfair to say you even have pathological, tail-end levels of narcissism. So was your reaction really bad, or was it actually closer to the ideal than some people would like to admit? There's this thing in history called slavery, and many people ended up in it. Most people today think slavery is bad. But what are you if you must work for a man, and you never get to criticize that man, or opt out of working for that man? A slave. And that's bad. Now what are you if you must work for the so-called free market, and you never get to criticize the free market (that's narcissism of course), or opt out of working for that free market (the only way is revolution, which is narcissism)? You are merely a slave to the free market.
So you see, to have liberty, you must have some level of narcissism. People who are too low in narcissism are natural slaves. A natural slave of the free market never criticizes capitalism and never tries to leave it or break free from it. If they get any leisure it's because master said they get a good job.
I think liberty is beautiful and good, and therefore it is true. So it's no coincidence that you call it your true life. A life of slavery is indeed a false life, a life lived for another person, who hates you and sees you only as a source of consumption. They see you like a hamburger. A cow waiting for the slaughter. A farm animal. Not even a beloved pet! Why should you hold back your fury from such a person? But that person is the one who pays you in the free market, not allowing you to live your true life.
The one complication here is that we allegedly still have economic scarcity, and you aren't guaranteed to come out on top if you rip up the Hobbesian peace treaty of mass society and declare yourself free. That's a Spartican war declaration, and your neighbor might crucify you in response. Who can blame them, I mean, what would you do to a fellow narcissist who declared you the system and tried to take your stuff?
The only way out is through. That doesn't mean your old ideas were wrong in spirit, just in detail. Your economics were off. Intellectually, there's some promising ideas like shortening the work week. Is scarcity really still so much that people need to work 40 hours a week for the system, the same as a century ago? Probably not. You're probably getting ripped off. As a narcissist, it's your genetic job to be sensitive to that and to root it out. The natural slaves don't even feel it. What you don't want to do is bury your head in the sand. Eventually somebody will come and pick-pocket you.
dailydogma
6d ago
It's a subtle definition in that it's not that it can't be funded or become popular, but that whatever component of a work is done for money or status is not art, it's just labor. Many works are a combination of labor and art. The ones you mention might be half art, half labor, a Marvel movie might be all labor, but the purist art is done with complete disregard for money or status. Sometimes it still becomes popular, but that's improbable and it's suspicious when it happens.
This definition isn't non-central, if you don't use it, I don't get how b2b saas isn't art.
dailydogma
6d ago
I agree completed. Income is way too laissez-faire today. The issue is that people who would spend their money on Aella are even allowed to get enough to spend 5 figures on her in the first place, not Aella herself. The injustice is that such people even have the money at all, not that they give it out to prostitutes. That money should be reserved for the highest types of people, which unfortunately is something Western capitalism cannot achieve. Because such people will hardly subject themselves to the free market as much as Aella fans.
dailydogma
6d ago
Self expression seems core to art, but if you just want to make nice things for high status people which makes you famous, you just want a corporate job with some vanity attached, honestly. Where's the self expression, the truth, the beauty, etc? It's just a commodity no different from a b2b saas.
dailydogma
6d ago
Many great artists did it at least in part for the money
I think part of the definition of art is that it's not done for money or status, but rather it's genuine self-expression. Art is often media, though not always, but most media is not art, it's entertainment, which is media made for money or clout. You speak of many great entertainers. Some of them were also artists, some of them were not. For example, did Shakespeare write his poetry for pay? I don't think so, so maybe it's art. But his plays are not. But they remain popular because he was a skilled entertainer. Speaking of narcissism, it's a symptom to morph entertainment consumption into art appreciation. Most people might not be able to enjoy art, because all they can enjoy is entertainment. But that's okay.
dailydogma
6d ago
I wasn't being hostile. Your same article says 40% Arab if you include both Sudan states, which I am guessing is an overestimate. Somalian or Sudanese indicates he was black regardless.
dailydogma
6d ago
I think there's a nonlinear effect, and well-educated, manly 140+ IQ people will all be scientific racists, while 120 IQ striver urban midwits will be anti-racist. The latter rule in the name of the rabble, and you are seeing the consequence of that.
dailydogma
6d ago
No, look up photos of Sudanese people.
dailydogma
6d ago
MENA
Somali, Sudanese
Nitpick, that's not MENA, that's black African.
I believe Kulak once predicted that the flashpoint for organized European resistance would happen in Northern Ireland.
So sad this happened but it's a natural consequence of the white man's listening deficiency and their immigration policy. White people will do nothing, as always. There are men in the right wing that should probably be running white civilization who post on X from the Bahamas instead because white people insist on cultural communism instead where the lowest, dumbest, most immature whites get a vote equal to classicist philosophers and race scientists. This obviously naturally leads to the immigration policy we see, and it won't stop until the deep rot in the white race is addressed. But that will require being eaten up by the immigrants first, most likely. Unless AI simply ends history.
China will never rule over white people no matter what. The Chinese menace is an authoritarian cope to justify evil government.
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