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Whether a patient can communicate their desire for or against suicide can also be measured objectively. Objective measures can be slipperly sloped at any rate, see the Nürnberger Gesetze, or just increasingly high and unreasonable age limits.

that there must be some meaningful limiting principle if you want to argue affirmatively for non-voluntary euthanasia.

Everyone agrees with that, no? I pointed towards some basic functional limiting principles here.

that the patient will experience enormous and indefinite suffering even after surgery. While under anesthesia, the patient is incapacitated and unable to express a present preference for life. We would not therefore allow the doctor to substitute their own judgment about whether the patient's life is worth living for the judgment of the patient. Even if the doctor correctly predicts that the patient will suffer indefinitely, the doctor does not acquire the authority to conclude that the life is not worth living and then kill the patient.

Your argument against reasonable euthanasia is imagining unreasonable euthanasia. The same logic can be used to abolish the age of consent. If you can arrest someone for violating the age of consent, then in theory you could slippy slope into arresting someone for any deviant sexual interest. Therefore you could arrest trans people. Do you want trans people to not be in prison? If yes, do you want there to be an age of consent? If yes, you reject your own logic. So to own this logic you must either be for locking up trans people for being trans or for getting rid of the age of consent. Note that any special please that it's different can also be used equally as well against your thought experiment.

Once rights protection depends upon classifications and judgments of worth evaluated by third parties, the theory owes an account of which classifications are legitimate, who is entitled to make them, and why.

But rights already do depend on 3rd party evaluations ... think about courts and wars. Your argument only is fully consistent if you support something like abolishing most of the violent government and moving towards an absolute NAP society.

Your source said 18 gay men dead vs 400,000 civilians.

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It turns out that while innocent life is worth protecting, those subjected to the death penalty aren't generally considered innocent, and neither are soldiers in a war under, to my understanding, a somewhat different model.

How do you decide who is innocent, and how is that Christian given original sin? Sounds contradictory and ad hoc.

I'm pretty sure it's well agreed that the Israelis murdered the ayatollah.

Do we know that for sure? Any source?

Yeah and instead they believe that rule by kings an emperors is good and right. Murdering the previous emperor and taking power in a bloody coup like the Romans loved to do was a perfect and flawless example of legitimate secular authority in Jesus's teachings.

Asking the peasants which liar should be the tyrant is at best hardly better. Obviously a better form of government can be / has been designed but mob rule is kept for bad reasons.

If you looked at the source at all, you would see that the majority were slaughtered by the opponent of the Americans

Where does it say that?

I'm pointing out that Christians have a perfectly good answer to the questions of war and, of course, the death penalty

significantly closer to "this is the coolest thing ever, bold Christian knights flew o'er the Ocean to capture a God-hating rebel, and annihilated a heathen prince with bolts from the sky!"

Okay with ethics like that why be anti abortion? We're back to it actually being about fornication because it ain't about valuing life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_war_theory#Criteria

Just cause


The reason for going to war needs to be just and cannot, therefore, be solely for recapturing things taken or punishing people who have done wrong; innocent life must be in imminent danger and intervention must be to protect life. A contemporary view of just cause was expressed in 1993 when the US Catholic Conference said: "Force may be used only to correct a grave, public evil, i.e., aggression or massive violation of the basic human rights of whole populations."

It fails this massively.

Last resort

The principle of last resort stipulates that all non-violent options must first be exhausted before the use of force can be justified. Diplomatic options, sanctions, and other non-military methods must be attempted or validly ruled out before the engagement of hostilities. Further, in regard to the amount of harm—proportionally—the principle of last resort would support using small intervention forces first and then escalating rather than starting a war with massive force such as carpet bombing or nuclear warfare.[81]

Fails.

Probability of success

According to this principle, there must be good grounds for concluding that aims of the just war are achievable

Remote attacking of maybe-military bases has basically no chance of actually conquering Iran so it is just harassment which fails this criterion.

Competent authority

Only duly constituted public authorities may wage war. "A just war must be initiated by a political authority within a political system that allows distinctions of justice. Dictatorships (e.g. Hitler's regime) or deceptive military actions (e.g. the 1969 US bombing of Cambodia) are typically considered as violations of this criterion.

Fails by deceptive clause. Although, my most controversial take here, I do not believe Trump or POTUS generally has competent authority. POTUS is popularly selected, not meritocratically selected, and most Ancient Christians would agree the USA system of government is structurally invalid. It is basically just mob rule. It's not different than some random street gang going to war. It might be worse because in theory the gangsters have gone through some kind of selective merit mechanism if they have survived for any length of time. The USA is a big never challenged plot of land run by a popularity government, the opposite of competent authority. And Trump embodies this perfectly.

I don't see how an accidental mistargeting of a school that used to be a military base due to outdated intelligence is in any way remotely comparable to intentionally killing a 2 year old outside of arguing in bad faith. Weird.

The United States has slaughtered almost 400,000 civilians, many of them children, in Middle eastern countries since 2001.

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A strong presumption in favor of living seems embedded in any society that takes the right to life seriously

Strong but not infinite. Merely strong can excuse it in this case.

I think most of that framework is based on the idea that these norms are meant to preserve higher-order social functioning, rather than deriving solely from a single person's capacity or preference.

This is contrary to the notion of human rights. Society is for humans, not the other way around. Society needs to serve human outcomes, like reducing suffering of horrifically diseased infants, to justify itsown higher order functioning.

Applying a sort of Rawlsian veil of ignorance to the question of what you would want if you were in that body seems plausible, but I'm not sure it's trivially demonstrable that, under the same veil, there wouldn't also be a preference for living in a society with an extremely high threshold for state-sanctioned killing. There may also be a similar veil-of-ignorance perspective in which you would not want to be placed in the position of deciding on

Sure, but this is a weighted sum that needs to be fine-tuned. It isn't obvious the answer is to always let horrific suffering continue on life support.

Right to bodily autonomy means the right to suicide. If we can't know whether someone wants suicide it's reasonable to ask their closest family and/or produce a reasonable-person estimate. I would want suicide it that body, so I find it to be consistent with rights that the baby was killed humanely.

Given the medical history, it seems to me more similar than usual to the numerous cases of the life support plug being pulled on the comatose and braindead of more advanced age. I'm aware that Christians tend to not particularly like those either, if prompted, but there does not seem to be that much of an organised opposition and ultimately they are just not what the outrage machine winds up putting on the frontpages of the internet.

That, and also the death penalty, and war. Apparently slaughtering Persian schoolgirls for no reason is a-ok but aborting a 2 month fetus is not. Weird.

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The drugs are not perfect and do not make a negative value life have positive value. Would you like to be a fentanyl addict, for example? A miserable existence.

but they have nothing in common, culturally, with west Africans

What?

The steelman is that assimilation is not guaranteed. There are many instances of countries where assimilation hasn’t occurred over thousands of years. In America ADOS have not fully assimilated and right now we have zero signs assimilation will ever occur. India itself is not an assimilated country. Castes still exists. Brazil is an example of a country that is not assimilated. You end up with a result where different tribes in your society vote for group interests and not society interests. If assimilation fails then your end result is permanently worse politics.

Assimilation basically only happens by interbreeding that that obviously means the results thereof is a mixture not entirely like its sources.

Some mistakes in here.

Some parts of India have as high as 60% SS expression while the Anglo-Saxon has 20% SS expression.

I bet that explains 0.1% of clannishness variance. It's almost never about a gene, it's almost always about all the genes. For you computer people, it's like weights in an LLM.

Because of social contagion of norms

Non-clannish people can't catch clannishness like you imagine. Yes, there are social transfer effects, but they are dwarfed by heritability. The more important impact will be quality of life / economic. This is plain and simple upper middle class replacement migration and clannishness means a white man can't get a job at an Indian firm, and Asian striver attitude means a brilliant white kid looks relatively more mediocre on paper than actually more mediocre Asians, inducing a deleterious effect onto that white kid.

If it turns out you allowed people in who are genetically inclined to be clannish, you’re pretty screwed, because there’s going to be a constant implicit bias against your own group in education, employment, democracy, etc.

Clannishness is cool actually and white people are largely experiencing the consequence of not having enough of it. If they could catch it from immigrants they'd kick out all of the immigrants.

The OP started from the (British?) assumption that Indians can only replace Texan culture. I think Texas has done a pretty good job assimilating them so far.

This waters down culture into hand-egg and 10 gallon hats. That approaches offensive if read by someone with an existing idea of deep culture. That is like saying 10 million weeaboos in Japan are Japanese if they watch anime and like sushi.

In my context, that means I just continue being a doctor, progressing through training so I keep making more money. Money is the most general of strategies. It can be exchanged for goods and services, including more durable barter goods if shit really hits the fan.

The idea that fiat currencies or electronic assets hold their value when SHTF is weird to me. They almost universally don't do that in such scenarios. Money is not some fact of the world, it has value contingent on existing precarious social relations and if you pay attention you can see in normal times that it's not even optimally stable. SHTF brings new competition that you need to be ready for with an actual network and actual skills, not, if you take me 1000 miles to the nearest working power outlet I can show you how I had some really valuable stocks back during the old days when the state was still protecting my life, I promise, that is if those servers are still online.

Holy shit man, you're one to talk about sour grapes. I do wonder if you'll have a comeback when they start to solve Millennium Prize level stuff. Probably gesturing at "aesthetics" will remain a convenient out. I promise not to gloat.

I'll admit, when I was pondering your comment I was looking at the Millenium prize lists, and I was thinking it would be at least until 2030 until we got answers to the good ones. Maybe an answer to one of the ugly ones next year or in a year and a half, is what I thought. Two weeks after you comment this and we got maybe the most important one.

I’ve seen more than one number theorist brag about what a great racket cryptography has been for number theory;

It's funny number theory is not needed for cryptography, potentially not even good for it. AES does not use it, assymmetric uses it the most but non-number theory asymmetric cryptography has existed since the 70s and might have better properties than number theory cryptography. So, the fake and ugly field (sorry, so many say it is pretty but I don't like it, it's very boring and dry and pointless) actually hurt the practical application it was used for.

I’ve always been fine with allocating resources (tax dollars) to this small priestly caste so that they can continue with their game

I would keep funding them as smart people but I would force them to change their focus to physics and similar science. In other words I would revoke their funding for mathematics but would fund them for applied fields. We are probably missing a decade or two of science because fake math traps these people.

then I unfortunately don’t see how mathematics survives this.

I'm in a minority here, but to me it's mostly been a confidence trick / running on fumes for many decades. As in, what the mathematicians do mostly does not matter, not because they aren't smart, but because their corners of math literally don't matter. People still heap tons of status on those people, I don't see how AI would change this because to me it's already not about results. However, I suppose now it democratizes the ability to produce math papers, so the status of the field will fall to more normal levels, which will feel really bad from the inside.

Navier-Stokes Millenium Problem Solved by GPT

OpenAI says they solved the Navier-Stokes Millenium Prize problem with an internal model that is more powerful than GPT6, so a GPT 7 candidate or something close. OpenAI has been on fire lately really casting a shadow on Anthropic. First the hugging face incident, now the first to crack the Millenium prize problems.

As for the solution to the problem, they are claiming that smoothness is disproved and that the equations do break down.

A fundamental open question for these dynamical equations has been whether the continuum approximation of the fluid can break down. Specifically, can the Navier–Stokes equations for a three-dimensional incompressible fluid with constant density develop a “singularity,” even when the motion starts smoothly? Here, a singularity means the dynamics lead to speeds in the fluid growing without bound within a finite amount of time. The development of a singularity would have to happen despite the presence of viscosity, which tends to smooth out motion. Because a real fluid cannot move infinitely fast, this would mark a breakdown in how the equations model the fluid. To continue modeling the system, one would then need to track the behaviour of each particle individually.

They say that the equation can develop a singularity, which apparently means it is not a perfect model.

This proof, produced by an internal OpenAI system, shows that the dynamics of the Navier-Stokes equations for fluid motion can develop a singularity in finite time.

This is very exciting to me as I believe it to be the first scientific result of an AI model. Previous results have been basically irrelevant to the sciences. However, this result is of course still completely symbolic in nature, which is not surprising because LLMs are not embodied enough to collect data and analyze it autonomously.

While they are generating amazing PR recently, I will say GPT-6 is somewhat disappointing for coding. It is not the same leap that 5.5 to 5.6 sol was. It would appear that the models are getting better at running very long context chains while efficiency improvements and refinements in lower level tasks are lacking. Still, it's great work from OpenAI and it's plausible to me that if there's no singularity in general by 2030, there will be for mathematicians. They will no longer be meaningful for producing math, rather they will only be humans who understand it.

It is my view that there are many possible imagined hierarchies and what you call the social hierarchy is arbitrary, imagined, and would require energy to enforce on others.

If you don't recognize that people feel more warmly and are more willing to help teachers than stock traders then I don't know what to tell you.

Am I, and people like me, not also people? Your thinking here is shady. You talk about people but obscure massive variance between individuals. You are universalizing too quickly.

Teacher's union endorses a candidate people who are not teachers take that as a signal that they should vote for the candidate instead of realizing that it means the candidate is more likely to transfer the voters money to the teachers.

Which people? How do you know it's not people who have family who are teachers? How do you know it's not people who feel like they are in the same class as teachers? I certainly don't listen to teacher's union endorsements and neither do any rich or intelligent people that I know.

I might find your Marxist theories to be ramblings of a failed 20th century ideology

I thought you were the Marxist. How am I the Marxist? Because I mentioned class? Are Jacobites Marxists? Are they 20th century?

Get rid of the economic class structure in your analysis, assume universally owned robots do all labor and everyone gets daily vouchers for material goods that cannot be saved or invested in any way, do you imagine there would be some kind of enduring hierarchy or not?

Yes, as long as there's still human cooperation and there's not sufficient gene editing or transhumanism to actually produce equality and/or supermen. Even without money, some people are still intelligent, moral, beautiful, and clean, and others are stupid, immoral, ugly, and dirty.

If you think there would be then do you think I'm wrong about the nature of that enduring hierarchy?

Yes. People who are currently near the top would stay on top because they are by their nature better in almost every way to people who are poor. 99% of people only value money and sex (and these are linked). If someone is poor they basically just failed save some evidence of them being a genuinely religious-philosophical ascetic, which require serious spiritual and/or intellectual talent in its own right. Not the kind of person who buys in to socialism to say the least. This is why teachers' number one issue is that they always want more money. It's all they really value. And teaching is the best they could do. If we got rid of their teaching job they wouldn't float up the hierarchy into more lucrative positions, they'd float down into lower status immiseration. They literally need that pocket of socialism to even be mediocre. So in any goal oriented setting they will end up somewhere similar given similar amounts of handouts to them, they won't magically get smarter or more energetic.

What socialists actually want is to apply a downwards force onto top people to forcefully equalize them ... naturally they would like to apply harsher force to those they like less. Quite simply there is no one social status of a person, rather everyone has their own social status evaluation function, socialists would like to force theirs on the world and I have described it here. But as we saw with the USSR theirs doesn't work very well in nature.