This is what I genuinely despise about the discourse on this matter (and many matters like it).
The standard of proof for every single element of the claim of election fraud gets escalated to an unreasonable level, and every time you 'prove' some particular element of it, they insist on strict proof of some even more granular point of fact. Plus motte and baileying from "oh there's no proof of voter fraud" to "Well you can't show that the outcome was effected!"
"Okay sure they pulled ballots from under a table... prove those weren't legitimate ballots that were just... unconventionally stored." "Okay, this ballot can't be traced to an actual voter... but you can't show that it was intentionally filled in by a third party."
Or whatever.
When the meta point is we really need to make sure important elections don't have the scent of fraud, even accidentally.
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Lets say it was a bit unreasonable.
Instilling faith in the 'sanctity' of the vote tallies is critical to the successful functioning of any democratic system, at any scale.
It seems objectively worth whatever burden it adds to the average citizen to make it significantly harder to cheat even a small quantity of votes. And its a very visible measure too. People should be more willing to believe and accept the outcome, absent other anomalies in the count.
And as long as there's a well-established and trusted method for obtaining ID, then its not even something 'arbitrary' like a poll tax or poll test, it really can't be abused to restrict who has the ability to vote.
Anyway, Democrat opposition to voter ID without any coherent argument for it has noticeably raised my suspicion/belief that they rely on some level of cheating to win. Adding on my experiences with Florida elections once they were made more secure.
Yep. And maybe the SAVE act isn't the right solution.
But its the one that's actually being offered.
I've said that I would actually be okay with the death penalty for anyone caught fabricating some large number of votes.
The system is THAT important to maintain faith in it.
And I also suggest sanctions for trying to overturn an election based on spurious claims of fraud, since that also undermines faith in the system.
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