haroldbkny
2d ago
I'm guessing he means that she was strongly encouraged to reinterpret what happened as rape by the feminist culture in order to provide yet another high profile victim and a set of high profile perpetrators to the ongoing feminist machine.
Sigh. Is feminism back? I know it's a bit "boo outgroup", but I really honestly and truly did really enjoy the past couple of years. I felt much less on edge, no longer walking on eggshells all the time, and like we could all mutually start to look at reality and see the same thing again, laugh at jokes about sex, appreciate scantily dressed women, understand that the sexes actually do behave differently from one another for reasons other than "privilege".
At any rate, the only thing that actually matters to me in this case is the question of: did they specifically give her ketamine beyond what she actually "wanted"? I suppose a secondary question may then be: if they did, did they do that maliciously or unknowingly?
I'm afraid I haven't heard too much discussion about the question of the ketamine on the Motte so far, it's been more about the social mores of having sex, and whether she was lying about not wanting to have sex. But to me, the only thing that really determines whether I think any actual wrongdoing took place is whether she deliberately took the drugs or not. I suppose we will never really know - she probably doesn't even remember whether she actually wanted to take that ketamine at the time. And the whole world has now decided that "no, she didn't want the ketamine and it was forcibly given to her to make her have sex against her will".
I am technically a feminist, by some definitions, because I think women should have equal legal rights to men. But that's probably not what you mean by "feminist". I am guessing that I am not a feminist in your sense of the word.
Does anyone actually believe that definition anymore? Does anyone here, at least, believe it? As far as I'm concerned, that definition is one of the biggest motte and baileys that exist. It serves both to shield feminists against criticism, while they pursue an agenda that has nothing to do with "equal legal rights", and it serves to convince normal neutral people, who haven't thought too hard about the issues, that they are feminists, too, and that there's actually a bunch of evil people out there who don't want women to have legal rights. I speak from experience, as someone who briefly bought that definition for myself back in 2012.
haroldbkny
14d ago
I'm curious about the actual mechanism by which this may work. I guess you could say I was of the belief that making could work if you were in the area for a short amount of time, and then moved on to other air. Like, the mask would keep your personal air supply cleaner for a brief time, but eventually more air would have to come into your mask space, so for longer amounts of time, it doesn't make sense to me. This might not be how it actually works, or is purported to work at all, but it's just how I kinda envisioned it.
Is the mechanism your pointing at that there are infected droplets of water from other people's bodies in the air, and the mask helps filter them out, meaning to can have a continuously safe air supply? That model could make sense to me, but only if the air was actually moving through the mask material. For the surgical and cloth masks that were common during covid, I never felt like that was the case. It always felt like the air was just coming around the sides of the mask, not through it. Are you supposed to press your lips right up against the mask, kinda kissing it all the time, sucking the air through the cloth itself?
haroldbkny
27d ago
I personally don't work less. I just work less smart, because I have someone to always always ask what to do, and sometimes to actually even do it. I don't think as much as I used to. That kinda wastes a lot of time as I'm going back and forth with the ai constantly instead of thinking myself and taking action. I think I'm slightly more productive than I was before ai. But not that much.
haroldbkny
27d ago
My experience matches with this. Ai makes be slightly more productive, and a shit ton more lazy.
haroldbkny
27d ago
Ultimately, I completely dislike any argument of "one is too many" (not that I haven't fallen into the same trap myself sometimes for things that tickle my biases). People don't know for a fact that one incident is too many because the people making those arguments don't ever stop to consider what the opportunity cost might be. Not that I actually believe that the police are actually a shining beacon of optimizing their efforts, or even actually serving the people properly, either.
haroldbkny
1mo ago
And if you don’t normalize it, the chances of your child not really wanting it go up.
That sounds extremely situational. There are many times that you not letting a kid, or anyone, have something, that makes them want it more.
See my other comment about how I personally don't want her to feel like I don't value her preferences. It's obviously a choice parents have to make, but modern media is hardly the same as providing alcohol to a minor.
haroldbkny
1mo ago
Yeah, but like I said before, that's not an option. She knows all of this from her friends and school.
haroldbkny
1mo ago
I didn't know that, that's interesting.
Well, at some point as a parent you need to decide what's more important. I need my daughter to listen to me when it's important, but you have to pick your battles. I ultimately decided I don't want to send the message to her that I don't care about her feelings, and that I'm never going to listen to her preferences. I have the feeling that my parents may have been more like your parents to some degree, and I'm not certain I'm personally happy with the results, and how it has impacted my long-term mental health.
haroldbkny
1mo ago
Nagging is one thing. What about just becoming really sad?
haroldbkny
1mo ago
Definitely. That's what I mean by saying that he thought he was better than he was, and that it would have been solved with a normal script revision process. By the 90s, he was untouchable, and no one would have dared give notes to the man who made Star wars, but that's exactly what it needed. Everyone needs an editor
haroldbkny
1mo ago
Well, it's possible you were not as strong minded a child as mine. How much were you willing to really push for what you wanted, and make your parents miserable until you got it?
haroldbkny
1mo ago
Definitely agree, but it's very different. The prequels were not a problem of vision, but of execution (for the most part). They failed because Lucas was old and thought he was better then he was, not because he tried to please too many people.
And that failure mode was such that they kind of ended up really weird and quirky, though really bad. I kind of believe that if the prequels had a normal script revision process, and actual directors, they might not have been completely terrible. This is in contrast to the Disney ones which failed because they're bland and corporateized.
haroldbkny
1mo ago
In addition to what @roystgnr says, I feel like Rowling suffered from a syndrome many authors do, which is that she ended up loving her characters and as such didn't want to kill as many of them as would have made sense. Who really died in the final battle, that we actually care about? One half of an identical duo, Lupin, and Tonks. That's not that much, and many more would have been warranted if the Death Eaters were actually a real threat.
haroldbkny
1mo ago
I was thinking about Star wars recently, and one conclusion I came to is that it's really strange that these are films that:
- Were originally driven by a creative vision
- Were so beloved by fans, who knew them inside and out and just positively worshipped them
- And somehow, stewardship of them were handed over to corporations. People just doing their bare-minimum job, trying to get good numbers to please the board of directors and not offend anyone, but who don't really give a shit about anything.
Like, I wouldn't trust my corporate self to write and produce the continuations of beloved franchises. When you're at work, if you're not a visionary, you just care about not getting fired and keeping people happy.
It's just bizarre. Of course they failed so hard.
No, we played the original, not switch.
My daughter liked it a lot, but probably didn't fully grasp the implications. Also, I showed her the secret ending, where Marin gets her wish granted and becomes a seagull, so a little less sad. She also gets hung up on small details like "what is link going to do now that he's in the ocean?", and others like this, which makes sense, but it's not the point of the story. She may be a bit too young, but maybe it will stick with her and come back to it, like I did.
haroldbkny
1mo ago
And also, something about the eight instruments of the Wind Fish and the Noble Eightfold Path?
Haha, I like that and I'd kinda buy it. The first Zelda game has 8 pieces of the triforce of wisdom, second has the 6 crystals for the palaces, third has the 3 pendants and 7 maidens, and this has 8 again.
haroldbkny
1mo ago
Oh, i definitely plan to show her lots of anime. But the ones I know are mostly for teenagers. FMA, Cowboy Bebop, The Big O, Trigun, Evangelion. Probably Avatar The Last Airbender is something I can show her when she's just a little older.
haroldbkny
1mo ago
Interesting. What do you think is Buddhist about it? To be fair, I am Western, so I will always end up imposing some sort of a lens on that. There's a lot of western media and philosophy about dreams too, though.
I don't have time to read all of the cited stuff now, but I should ask, do you have kids? My experience is that they will want what they want, and you can't really fight against it too hard, because that makes them want it more. It all ends up being a negotiation, whether you want it to or not, unless you're willing to run your household like Captain Von Trap (and even he couldn't control his kids despite his efforts). I do show them all the things from my childhood and things I love, but you can't make them just like you, forcibly - it doesn't work. They know of the modern media from school and friends, and want that, hard. And in order to be a part of their life, you need to allow them to partake in it at least sometimes, or else they will be really unhappy.
And note: my daughter watches very little media, and doesn't control what she consumes directly, but rather by petitioning me for it. We basically have family movie night once per week, which is how she has taken in all the movies she has seen. We have no tv, and she has no iPad, and has never used one, and wouldn't know how to navigate kids YouTube.
haroldbkny
1mo ago
Yeah, as mentioned in another response, maybe part of what I dislike is that there's so much fake out loss. Though I'm not certain exactly why that bothers me, and I need to think more about it.
And loss at the beginning vs loss at the end is a good distinction as well, and I'd also need to think about that more, too. At least loss at the beginning, vs no loss or fake out loss, affects the status quo, and shows kids that important things in life change: we really do lose people we love and they don't just come back.
Heh, and you're forgetting the most important loss in the neverending story - the horse! At the very least that was a scarring moment!
haroldbkny
1mo ago
Well, they don't spell anything out for you, which is also something I like about it. But I don't think "it was all just a dream, and didn't really happen" is what was intended.
It was the dream of a deity, that link was caught up in. A god dreamed and by doing so created a realish place and realish people.
You can see that at the end, after link wakes up, he sits there thinking about whether it was all just his own dream, and is sad, but then sees the windfish flying overhead, and has some level of catharsis about the fact that it was real and worth it on some level. So the fact that the windfish comes to him at least shows that there was some magic going on, not just his own dream. Not to mention the secret ending showing that the windfish granted Marin's wish to live on in some way as a seagull.
Like others have alluded to, these are already starting to be replaced. "Influencers", a job which doesn't even make sense to me to begin with, are now entirely generatable. The other day, I was on a drummer Facebook group, and someone posted about "see this photo featuring this cute twenty-something drummer chick? She doesn't actually exist."
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