mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
Future apocalypse survivor
User ID: 3273
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
5mo ago
No issue is if your end goal is inaction. Every election cycle people who swear by non electoral methods feel that this time it's different and end up spinning their wheels. Academic agents criticism is spot on
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
5mo ago
The governance is a result of the people though. Policy no doubt makes a difference but we have to realise that some things just can't work. You can't for instance have stable families and high tfrs post sexual revolution if you're a liberal secular democracy.
With India, envy, revenge and clan loyalty will never go away.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
5mo ago
Yes, demographics are literary fucking permanent. My country got fucked because we thought that this wasn't the case. India is the parallel and America faces these issues because it's a liberal country from birth. India thought that you could just have more people and the labor would continue to be fine, look at what happened now, even most of the upper castes are sanskritized and don't have the same parernal haplogroups.
Russia can recover from ussr, America won't recover from open borders no matter how austrian the economics may be. Nick Fuentes was correct in saying this.
Here is my attempt to conclude the h1b debate given the takes in on have been just bad.
The H1B debate seems to have died down in the same way every other debate dies down: things remain the same. Trump does what a liberal from the 90s does, and MAGA people claim victory over lip service. Academic Agent wrote a very succinct write-up on this issue, and my take on this is mixed.
I would not have wanted migrants in the millions to a country I was a native of, period. White-collar migrants are even worse since you are making college admissions and jobs even harder for your kid but you are also ensuring votebanks, unstable coalitions. They may be stable sometimes on the right but they will eventually break away. Sriram, the trump appointee who started all of this was a Kamala donor up until a month before the election and was not a good programmer by his own admission, certainly not an AI guy like Ian Goodfellow either. The h1b meltdown took Elon down too as he ended up losing arguments, banning anyone named Groyper and then publicly admitting defeat somewhat to calm people down, though things are unlikely to change by a lot. Elons issue was covered by eternal Pariah and sometimes really insightful Chuck Johnson so do check it out, he also detailed Srirams issues in this post.
Vivek Ramaswamy too burned some of his social capital like former MLM peddler Patrick Bet David by asking the youth to follow cram school routines like I did and compete with the rest of the world in terms of labor and uni admissions despite the very obvious issues of them cheating and having excessive ethnic prejudices to begin with. I have first hand experience with cram schools which funnily enough neither of them does and that explains why they glorify it and those who went through it cant forget the ordeal fast enough.
I would never want such large-scale movement of any people into my own nation but otoh I will not call most Indian migrants scheming scamsters or ethno-nationalists either. I might try to move to the west in 2025 and likely temporarily to see what Rome of today is like but I am a self-respecting person and a nation choosing its own people and demographics over hard to prove claims about the benefits of 20 billion Americans is a very sane outcome. There are plenty of good Indians, them leaving is explicit iq shredding and people back home gloating about how tech firms have Indian CEOs is a massive sign of insecurity.
Political change and human endevaors work on ingroups and outgroups, coalitions, the tech bro aligning with that gets its memes from identitarians was not going to last that long and the results will not be that different from 2016. People choosing to move to the west, starting a family there and if they are really good at what they do is a massive plus as long as the number does not exceed thousands as demographic changes are nearly impossible to overturn. Many posters here are honest hardworking white collar employees who work on visas and I would not want them to be called names anytime they log in. There are no good answers here, including Trump's which is handwaving, inaction, minor lip service and then letting things happen as they already are.
Biocapital is very real, society here runs not just on caste but also on class and there is a keen awareness amongst people of both. Indian biocapital is bottom of the barrel and clustering helps eek out better performance than what it could have otherwise but topsoil erosion won't last forever, I reckon most of it has already been used up. Indians move because they do not like most Indians, they do not wish to associate with them but being in a liberal democratic world reduces your identity down to the lowest common denominator. If I ever move out permanently, it would be because political power back home is not a possibility and I would rather live as a nerd in the big leagues than in the little leagues. The future here is incredibly bleak btw and I know many posters here who have similar backgrounds and moved out. I think they did the right thing.
I wanted to conclude this post with some reasonable course of action but that is highly unlikely. People here have a hard time believing that upper castes bottled India so badly that the nearly extinct remnants of their elite genepool is gone like their ability to gain any power yet they just sat down and took it, and now you have an ever-worsening system that chugs along without ever collapsing.
A collapse may never come, it did not for the past 2 thousand years, the US too would still "survive" even if Yglesias's harebrained schemes of one billion Americans came true though surviving like India or worse Pakistan or Bangladesh or Afghanistan is humiliating. My interest in politics began because of affirmative action here and how people would allow explicit laws like the SC ST act, once I saw the rest of the world I realised that things are far more universal than I thought they would be. Anyways i dont think there is a lot more to the debate, there are plenty of good people living here, under normal circumstances, I would in fact prefer if they did not move out but if I dont have an ingroup back home soon enough, I do think they should do what the Zoroastrians did when they came here, in both cases, people should kick out and sue the living shit out of Indian IT sweatshops and be far harsher migration wise but then again nothing ever happens.
I feel a sense of deep unease writing this, I do not want to offend friends I have made here and fuck my career over, I do not want them to be called names either. I am semi-anonymous here because this forum is the only place I can be honest and muting myself here like I do irl is bad, lying is even worse. Lying to yourself is how you get takes like Bryan Caplans on India.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
5mo ago
For the future I do hope you can use Google for your backup, being in Russia isn't ideal given the payment issues now.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
5mo ago
It is remarkable how broken all of this really is, here in India you just pay people for this and android is seamless, android to iphone only works if you are willing to pay for it. I have all of my chats backed up on google drive which I bought for my entire family and apple even charges you money for buying that from a fucking iphone. The amount of cocksucking for apple and meta by tech normies is indicative of us being in the ashes.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
5mo ago
I turned 25 the other day
Happy Birthday!
Probably not for advice, since it feels like I started to run in circles when it comes to that a while ago. Much of what I hear and think are just permutations of the same things, thoughts traveling along the same grooves. Can’t be helped, some problems don't really have solutions and the best you can do is shrug and keep moving forward.
Untrue, I have had simialr issues since I was a child with following a routine and being a disciplined person. I have only ever failed but I am getting better and with enough time I will be fine. Psychological hangups that are environemnt dependent can be fixed. I was a complete dud with girls until I came here and did in fact change completely whilst no one I knew ever did.
As you get older, you get more familiar with the workings of your mind. I always had a contemplative bent, my day to day thoughts directed to something abstract or otherwise decidedly detached from my physical and social realities. It’s hard to see this part of me as either a virtue or a flaw, if anything it’s baffling that it’s not a universal human trait.
Sun and Steel by Yukio Mishima has contemplations of his own spiraling.
Apparently some people just...don't care about what to me seems like the most important problems, or talk about them in ways that makes me suspect humans have truly vast variations in their cognitive architecture that is yet to be even slightly charted.
I just got off a call with another ratioanlist adjacent motte guy who did in fact have simialr questions and found solace in dharmashastras and dharmasutras. Dharma is not religious, you can and should come up with your own model of this and act accordingly, that is what I am doing. These texts were prescriptions in the form of a live debate, not texts that are right due to a mandate of heaven.
I have had a similar path, just today I started spiralling where I ended up questioning the nature of reality after having thought about Lands work in my limited understanding, I ended up realising that I was mindfucking myself. You are correct to feel this way, I do too at times, my comment history is public here, I have written under 4 different accounts including this one.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
5mo ago
You can run but you can't hyde
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
5mo ago
Batman the animated series stands out above any other form of media for me, I could not have enjoyed at any other point besides my childhood but the effort taken to make it makes me appreciate watching it that young.
I also liked rugrats, the original xmen show and various nickelodeon ones but btas stands out.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
5mo ago
I was going to tell you the other day - I feel like the quality of your posts has improved a lot over the last six months or so. I am learning a lot when you post these days
What stood out to you in particular?
I am learning a lot when you post these days
I am glad that my opinions help others. I learnt all I know from the internet, in particular from the neoreactionary sphere, themotte is a cool place because the people here select against low iq, dishonesty and hostility. As I learn more and read the nrx cannon properly, I should be able to have a better understanding of the world and what that can be done or I have done that is not just doomposting
If you would just stop picking up lifting-related injuries, you'd really have it made.
lol, yeah that and being more strict with my routine would sort my life completely.
I am 35 and she is 31 - it took me much too long to get it together, and I wish I now that I would've done this when I was 25. I would have liked to have maybe four kids, but as it stands I think we'd be very happy if we managed three; we're aware of fertility windows, and honestly I myself am a little concerned about how well I'll manage small kids in my 40s. I am already a little bit slower and creakier than I was in my 20s. Two is probably the true most likely outcome.
I would recommend the usual stack of meditation, sleep, and working out. I found these to help me even after extremely inconsistent usage. Though I personally would recommend as many kids as you can have, I wish you happy, healthy children.
The primary thing that I think I mainly picked up on from relationship discussions on the Motte, was the legitimate futility of trying to use dating apps as an average-looking guy. It always felt a bit frustrating, but seeing the data drove the truth home. Instead I just worked on becoming a man that would be a good partner, and going out into the world a lot instead of staying inside on the computer. I remember years ago telling people about the concept of "micromarriages," which someone shared on here.
I picked up PUA here which was amazing. The expliclit goal of which is to make you go from nerdy to fun and secure, online dating is a losing battle, cold approach is one of the best things a young man can do besides getting married.
but that concept is the most specifically applicable to romance - if you don't go places, you'll never meet people.
Yeah, this is also why I am writing more now besides the usual wellness Wednesday stuff. I want to write more regularly and publish them here so that I can at least attract a small number of new people and maintain the forum's quality. As for romance, I was totally stuck on one girl for four years until I met this British chick in Pai and finally got over my oneitis.
Accordingly - I met my fiancee at a fan group meeting of the local baseball team. It was handy to immediately have a shared interest to talk about, and it was then simple to ask her on our first date - which was to the team's Hall of Fame & Museum. And then while doing those things, we learned about each other's other interests, which made it easy to find new things to do together. It's all been remarkably smooth; maybe this is the fruit of spending many years going on bad dates, being in unsatisfying relationships, and generally gaining life experience.
Match made in heaven. Politics is inherently caustic, good to see such white pills here.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
5mo ago
No because India has runs on n caste envy and very few are actually smart even within the smart groups, the rest just hate them.
As an Indian I like the h1b but if I were a citizen with schemes like h1b I'd have them shut down. I'll write in long form about this.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
5mo ago
As an Indian I would want migration to exist given I want to git gud and not be in little leagues, as an american I would not.
I should write an essay on this
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
5mo ago
He already started banning accounts, all for h1b? I was always sketpical about his claims of being superman or super moral. They will purge accounts more now.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
5mo ago
Slatestarcodex, I discovered it via Brian Caplan as I was googling Marxist economists to dunk on them, I realised that Scott was a psychiatrist and wrote a post crying for help as I didn't know I had adhd then.
I got the inkling that Scott is not super soy and stuck around, I'd see cross posting to themotte and the Wednesday threads here were better. I read some culture war stuff there.
I was kinda redpilled already due to having seen Moldbug and hbd issues. The people here were like those on slatestarcodex but more honest by every metric. At the time I hated my university, i went to a good program and still hated it as the only thing kids around me wanted was a job in bangalore and date 3s monogamously. Posting here weekly as rounded out a lot of issues I suffered from, dating being one you guys would know about.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
5mo ago
I was 19 when I first got introduced to neoreaction and felt I was alone since no one else in the sane world would discuss identitarian or spiritual issues that plague people.
In half a decade, we finally have seen things change. Remains to be seen how thermidor is utilised.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
5mo ago
I wish you a happy and successful marriage. I joined themotte for non culture war reasons and got actual life changing advice about dating stuff so I have a lot of appreciation for people here.
How old are you, how'd youeet your wife and how many kids do you plan on having? What advice in particular did you get here that helped you out the most with marriage/relationship stuff?
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
5mo ago
Update - the situation has worsened with Laura Loomer and other conservatives losing thier verification status and Elon calling them all subtards.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
5mo ago
This happens when you make your people just an idea instead of actual people. People online are slowly more conscious of identitarian issues, the abuse of migration systems, legal or illegal and then publicly mocking the host nations people is explicitly asking for hostilities to be amped up.
There are some really good ones in India, many have gone to the US, some of them frequent this forum and are upstanding people, most h1bs are not and the arguments for the H1B cap removal has led to a meltdown in Indian image at least online. There is no way I can make a nuanced argument for this without having everyone my nation call me a sepoy or self hating despite them knowing what is up.
People do not want to bring up HBD, some people did and a person even claimed that top 1 percent of upper castes is way smarter than the same percentile of euros, something that is laughably untrue but represents what you are saying in a way. You cannot allow your young to have to compete away their reproductive abilities to have a decent life. Self-identification with your people is not downstream from HBD. The only good thing here perhaps is that now HBD is not as much of a taboo anymore due to Indians using stats to dunk on people but incorrectly making it even worse.
200 million Indians will wreck any nation, it wrecked India, the aryan remnants are few and far between. Still that is not why i would self-identify with my own group, HBD is an afterthought, the same way you love your family or your wife, because they are yours.
Let’s say that a generous .1% are geniuses who have aided American military might
what is funny is that you need to be a citizen to work in aerospace or the military, most h1bs are it workers, some are outstanding, most are average if they are lucky.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
5mo ago
All women and couples who are doing well should be the ones having kids, modern economy works for techno capital at the cost of bio capital when it should be the other way around. The future is the traits and systems you pass on to it, having a hyper-competitive market environment where your own government will happily kick you out of a job to facilitate outsourcing is incompatible with the wishes for a higher tfr.
Tests, unis, and economics all exist for society, society does not exist for them. The current environmental pressures reward the lower IQ more ohrtodox religious kind which will make society worse. You want your unemployed people to have fewer kids for starters, same for hardened criminals yet they both have a lot of kids, enough to pass on the same traits whilst many professors go childless.
Another fact is that modern society will further reward nerds over any and every other class of people due to technological advancements. We do not need testosterone to sit behind a desk and manipulate Excel sheets nor do we need people to actually fight wars as much as we did before. So yeah, people who are really nerdy but also have some war-like traits would be ideal, maybe, I am not a biologist.
This issue plagues everyone, I know at least 10-20 30-plus dudes who are a part of the online-based right and only 2 of of them have kids. At some point you should just not plan, have as many as your wife can handle. Trying to find the rationality in when to have kids will always push them, very few people will knock up a girl in high school anyway. Because whilst you plan, the guy who you do not want to dominate society is going to have more kids who will perpetuate this cycle. Anyone who is in a stable job, has a good wife should be having kids
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
5mo ago
General updates
Merry Christmas to the motte, I had a terrible week productivity-wise since I had friends around, sept super late and that fucked my productivity. I also injured my back doing some light rdls, and will resume working out soon, I will avoid rdls but I will still workout, despite shoulder and now lower back issues lol. I try do to 2 sits of meditation now, 24 minutes each instead of having small sits and just one long one.
I have been feeling a little sad for the past few days. I know I will feel better once I am more productive, but there is a sense of doom that I cannot quite articulate. I cannot feel happy about myself until I am better at what I do, but being sad about it just makes the process much worse. My work is now 7 hours a day, and I don't find any solace in other activities, though.
Book review of sorts - The Great Divorce by CS Lewis
I first heard Luke Smith bring up the voluntary nature of misery, how most people actively choose it willingly, the great divorce, the book I keep talking about was really impactful because it shed light on this. I have no memories from my life from when I was 16 to when I was 19 because I had been kicked out of school and was stuck in cram schools. Lewis described hell as an extremely small place, my own experience confirms this. My time spent in situations where I fucked myself over feels tiny and that is a kind of punishment I never would want to wish on anyone. Our ability to forget plays a big role in allowing us to attempt to change our lives or situations but it comes at a cost. Whenever I chose to do something where I acted, my perception of time expanded by large amounts.
My final 4 weeks in Thailand seemed to have lasted longer than the entirety of my university than my university or the year I spent LARPing as a founder because I actively went out and did things I would not have otherwise. The days I work most on seem to stretch out a lot, physically they don't seem to end, days when I slack off seem long at first but my total experience of the world is tiny and I can spend weeks in such a limbo and come out feeling like it all lasted just a few minutes.
We all have these rationalisations as to why we choose to do bad things, the book is full of interactions where you see them play out including a mother who clings to the death of her own child instead of letting go and reuniting with him in heaven. religious parents hammer home the concept of sins, of how sins in this life will affect the future ones and how the past ones already have had an effect on this one. Lewis presents the argument that the punishment begins now and like my own problem of losing sight of time or being numb is in fact me choosing hell actively, the rationalisations are just being cover-ups that I won't let go. All of the past sufferings can be neutralised, all it takes to do so is to simply choose to enter heaven and you don't need to die or convert to the Anglican church. It's as simple as it can be and we mostly choose otherwise and find ways to justify it.
Still, we all can choose to be redeemed at any moment, once we stop deifying our own thoughts, no matter how important we think they might be. There is a lot of what we call virtue that is universal, there are differences in morality for the ancient Greeks vs broader Indo-European religions and Christianity but a lot of it is the same that we all do wrong wilfully. I saw the recommendation of the book on the blogspot Real Social Dynamics ran, it's not a profound work on theology or a part of the Western canon that you cannot do without. It is very simple, accessible to all and one of the most relatable things I have ever read.
Book reviews are the laziest form of writing, I do wish to write more however and would appreciate if people can tell me what the correct way to go about it would be, I do not want to pollute the threads with large in-depth reviews and want to know what the recommendations for longer form material crossposted here from a substack are.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
5mo ago
And I agree with the right, even though it is an unpopular opinion to take. I don't want my friends who are not obvious scamsters or posess a sense of dual loyalty to be discriminated against but the fact is, most Indian migrants see the West as a shopping mall or a tax holiday instead of an actual place. There is no way to have this happen now, India has a worse image than china, a nation that has had espionage issues since forever.
I remember three to four years ago when I would post stuff here, I would not see the Indian Question brought up because there was little chest thumping, now you have Prime Time Indian anchors making claims of dual loyalty, in any scenario besides that of more leftward momentum, this will only get worse.
Demographics and loyalty make up a state, this is also why I support smaller feudal states over larger nations, not just the threat of leftism but because loyalty does not scale. India was never one people, it always fractured.
Nobody wants to join the British Army today. Despite constant fearmongering and war propaganda, it's actively shrinking. Turning a nation-state into an economic zone corrodes its integrity.
Yes it does, there are no good answers, I feel quite blackpilled. Hindu right always made some pajeet jokes but it was never serious, twitter is officially in race war territory and the same arguments that Indians made against demographics and other communities are being recycled for them. The worst part is that all of this could have been avoided. I would have preferred had they not abused the shit out of these systems. The good ones could have left and assimilated into the west, at least that way someone who is genuinely very competent would have been able to contribute to the world instead of rotting here which they do not deserve. This seems less probable now.
This could have been prevented, all of it.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
5mo ago
And you get to escape the gene pool you dislike to begin with. India isn't for beginners.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
5mo ago
Not just that, the average Indian has terrible hbd metrics, the introduction of castes was to protect virtue and keep fat tails to eek most out of what is here, once you go through the micro minority of good bio capital, what's left is dysfunctional.
Indians hate Indians, anything Anglo is a strong social signal here. People would rather be near homeless in NYC than be in low income ghettos in Chennai or some other city.
mrvanillasky
Indo Aryan Thot Leader
5mo ago
You have upper castes middle castes and lower castes. Most migrants are South Indian (Telugu mostly), Punjabi or Gujratis Middle castes. As long as you avoid these three and break the backbone of Indian IT sweatshops, you'd be fine in all honesty.
Otherwise there are very minute classifications, for instance the upper two castes in the north west are least likely to migrate or want to migrate because they have a sense of sovereignty, an identity that they know would dissipate upon leaving, also how them leaving makes the Hindu fold (which again is another name for upper castes) toothless.
Middle castes simply don't care as they're the majority.
The issues here are not just social, you can't put the genie back in the bottle, even if you could, the biological decay is too much.
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