nijifuji
25d ago
I’m much more on the side of converting Jews instead of kicking them all out or murdering them.
Is there any evidence they want to convert? More or less their entire history is them resisting assimilation. They are a self proclaimed diaspora people. At any time they could (and some have) stopped and assimilated into a host nation. There remains a dedicated group that do not want to assimilate and instead want to pursue their own interests.
They don't need to be kicked out or murdered in America. They need to be removed from power because they're using that power to further causes that harm Americans.
People have generally been pretty nice in real life
I hold racist views, am against non white immigration (and even that should be of the von Braun type, not sweatshop workers), am pro remigration and would still be very nice and potentially friends with you in real life. I have many Indian friends (who are all relatively educated and wealthy, we share similar interests) while holding these views. I hold colloquially racist views but none of them are out of hatred. I think a person's race affects their compatibility with a culture (there are always exceptions, of course), and I would like to maintain western culture. Just because I don't want Indians (or whoever else) living in America doesn't mean I hate them. I don't hate bears, but I don't want them living in my house.
twitter & 4chan are the main places where I have seen outright hatred towards Indians
I think you're (understandably) misreading edge lording and racism as hatred. Best I can tell, there's not much hatred. They simply want them to go back home or realize they're a guest and behave as such (which in large numbers becomes impossible).
I had a discussion with my Indian friends that was pretty eye opening. I grew up genuinely race blind, and when we were discussing why they were pro immigration etc. (when I pointed out it was bad for most Americans except the rich), they informed me they didn't necessarily view themselves as Americans, but as Indian Americans. And I don't hate them for this. Self interest is rational and they're not violent or anything.
I've come to realize American really means white, european genetics, ok with christian morals etc. My "fish being informed what water is" moment was when I learned the egalitarian individualism of western society was not universal. And that type of society is incompatible with 95% of immigrants.
It's an unfortunate situation we're in and I place the blame on corrupt elites running western society.
It is funny to me that for a lot of people in their 20s and 30s, it’s much more about vibes than policy
America is a democracy (already chaotic enough) that is becoming more racially diverse by the minute. Quick signaling is needed to determine who’s on your team and what you’re about. Arguing about policy is from the boomer days of a white Christian society. If we can get back to those high trust days it’s a valid critique, but you don’t debate with people who would see you and your children dead, and find the idea funny (pardon the dogwhistle).
Your assessment of the problems is correct, but you also need to look at what lead to these problems. Who was a (self proclaimed) driving force behind the civil rights act? Of course Jews are not a monolith, but they (rightfully, logically) pursue policies in their own self interest which at times is at odds with those of white Americans.
Randy Fine ought to resign, but his stanning for Israel isn't having a measurable negative impact on white men in the US.
A Jewish ethno-nationalist in American halls of power is exactly the problem.
The jews are not a monolith. Some of them like these institutions, many with money and power don't. They want to reshape these institutions into ones that are more friendly to jews, regardless of how it affects Americans.
Again, they're not a monolith. Secular, diaspora jews aren't super happy with the animosity Israel is generating. The Zionist jews would prefer jews moved to Israel, so they're ok with it. Regardless, this debate is happening without any regard for Americans (outside of how impacts on Americans might impact jews).
Does anyone suspect jews want a Muslim takeover? I've never heard that from Fuentes or any others. They want diversity not homogeneity.
Fuentes has said nearly verbatim this line here. If you listened further, he explains that there are other costs that don't show up on a budget sheet. Financial costs, as well as social costs when you have "I personally hope Israel uses that money to turn Palestine into a parking lot." kind of attitudes. Mass death is morally reprehensible and weakens our stature on the global stage.
He's mad about this too. Ultimately it's the same root problem. The elites in our society do not put Americans first. It happens that a large number of elites (by count and certainly by power) are Jewish, and pursue Jewish interests - be that Israel's defense or ensuring a diverse society so diaspora jews can thrive. Neither of which any sane person could say is putting American's first. Like you'd see viewing a flamegraph of American sovereignty problems, the biggest bang for our buck right now is focusing on Jewish power. There are many other problems, but this one is the most glaring.
This has been going on heavy since the 60's and before that to lesser degrees. Kevin MacDonald has some books on this, though the physical copies are rather expensive these days. It's a pretty nuanced issue - especially with the years of cultural conditioning most of us have to unwind. The American Pravda series by Ron Unz (quarter Jewish) is a great intro, though you really need to read the source literature as well if you want to effectively understand these positions.
Not really. We were in a good position post ww2 to move towards peaceful coexistence but giving Israel the land it has now really threw a wrench in that.
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