sun_the_second
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sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
12hr ago
Well, no, I never believed Yud had mind control powers. Maybe someone who's known for charismatic deeds, but not him. My theory was in fact that Yud's experiment assistants are too unusually AI-neurotic and weird to draw any conclusions other than "lesswrongers are afraid of being simulated".
sun_the_second
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13hr ago
The situation is still "the experiment assistant knows they're speaking to Yudkowsky, not a potentially all-powerful AI, they stand to win money if they simply refuse to let him win, and they still let him win". It would require at minimum that the assistant willingly pretends they're actually in the scenario where an AI could torture them, and I don't recall that being in the terms of the experiment.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
13hr ago
The one that accomplished nothing I'm aware of and will be vastly more difficult to repeat when the ones you want to bomb don't even have to live next to you?
Indeed the very fact that it was done 30 years ago says something about the viability. Why isn't it done more? Asking purely hypothetically and not as a way to endorse, of course. But it's not like there aren't motives for such acts today.
sun_the_second
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16hr ago
Having the drone police/army to replace human police/army is priced into "not needing the consent of the governed".
The Second Amendment apologia usually goes "we might not have tanks or jets, but the occupation has to deploy boots on the ground to police us, and a rifle is enough to deter those". Good luck with that against something that doesn't have names, families, addresses or the fear of death.
sun_the_second
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1d ago
A world of vice-ridden indolents would be utopian compared to the pessimistic scenario of "the psychopathic Haves simply stop sharing land and resources with the Have Nots once they no longer need our labor or the consent of the governed".
sun_the_second
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1d ago
You know what I meant.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
1d ago
The human has picked the words. Yes, yes, I know, I arbitrarily don't value things like "the human has calligraphied the words in a specific handwriting style and ink", etc etc. I value what I value.
And say what you will about photography, at least it actually captures what had existed at some point, not does something like "an imp inside the machine had been told what the picture looked like in order for it to reproduce it".
sun_the_second
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1d ago
No, I just want commitment to the actual writing. If I have to suffer reading it, they had better have suffered writing it. I don't care if they have suffered doing some other thing, and in fact in the specific terrorist example that would count against them.
sun_the_second
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6d ago
Suppose I write a book of mixed sensible life advice and myths, then claim it is the inspired word of a God who cannot lie. Which of the three options would be the most sensible approach to such a book?
sun_the_second
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7d ago
Recursive because it lets you improve the capacity to self-improve.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
7d ago
Should I post payment credentials to accept donations for my own AI organization? I promise to do even less to build the AI that takes over the world.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
7d ago
Isn't MIRI effectively a rock with the words "don't build the AI [that takes over the world]" on it? I don't recall them building anything. By those standards I'm an AI organization too.
We also find it historically attested that a man in the 1800s has declared that he talked to an angel, wrote a new holy book and convinced millions of disciples to take what is, in plain terms, a blatant heresy of the dominant religion seriously.
Thankfully, USA is not ancient Rome, so the Mormons weren't yet widely tested for their capacity for martyrdom. Yet this is a modern example of how easy it is to become a prophet and found a religion. Extrapolate it from 200 years ago to 2000, with corredpondingly spottier reporting, and the story of Jesus of Nazareth doesn't look that out of place.
sun_the_second
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7d ago
Being unsure about some aspects of our reality and being unsure about God are very different kinds of unsure, as you've highlighted with your model of layered realities.
sun_the_second
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8d ago
You could argue that any relationship built on communication with a higher entity would necessarily be one built on coercion, sure. But without communication there is no relationship. When one can't be sure if he's speaking with God or with the echoes of his own mind refracted through religious culture, where does freely made choice even come into it?
If a willful intelligence from a higher reality actually talked to me, as you're correct to point out it could if it wanted, my questions towards Christians and interrogations of the truthfulness of their faith would be much fewer.
(Allegedly divinely-inspired words of mortal men, "signs", feelings and vibes are no proper replacement for a conversation in my book. If it wanted to talk to me, it could talk to me.)
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
8d ago
If our assumptions based on the observable reality don't work for higher realities, then that should signal we can't derive how/if God works from what we see in our world. No matter how much evidence there is in favor of Christianity, it provides no truth value.
sun_the_second
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8d ago
You must see how that just sounds like "separating from family made me feel worse". Those whose Christian family was, in fact, the miserable part of their lives, or those whose family was not religious at all, would have different experiences.
If the air stopped being there for an hour, I would certainly be very inconvenienced, yet no one thinks of selling of buying air at all, let alone for the infinitely-high price the necessity theory of value would command.
It appears that "how likely the work is to stop being done" is a factor in evaluating its worth that cannot be ignored. Menial work is something that many can, and will, for relatively small pay, do.
An EA suggesting that someone who can do rare kinds of labor should do those, and leave the common kinds of labor to those who are only capable of that much, seems reasonable. Both for the purposes of "you get more money" and for increasing the amount of rare labor being done in the world, which is presumably good. Snobbery doesn't have to be part of the equation.
sun_the_second
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8d ago
I wouldn't insist that all historical evidence is bad. But from what I have read, an average layman does believe popular history more than they should. There's this "historical evidence on Sparta was largely written down by Sparta's political opponents" factoid that I recall of note.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
8d ago
"Dandymaxxing" implies a higher fixation on fashion than what I observe in the looksmaxxers who seem to be more focused on maxilla and bonesmashing.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
8d ago
I think you missed the part where I don't believe that it happened.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
8d ago
I'm starting to think that if "Christ rose from the dead" is something that historical evidence supports, despite all the other evidence to the contrary of such things being possible, then it is not that I should believe in the return of Christ more, but that I should believe in historical evidence less - including other areas of history.
sun_the_second
could survive a COD lobby and a gay furry discord server
8d ago
Wouldn't oriental martial arts serve better then, not the one marketed as the pragmatic spec ops killer system?
I mean, retaliation that costs you more than what you're retaliating for is just politics 101. If you're not insane enough to retaliate despite the costs, you get trampled.
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