yunyun333
16hr ago
i don't think the jews were worse than arabs, at least in their intentions. certainly, if the arabs had won, the end result for jews would have been worse than expulsion. but expulsion was still a Bad Thing, although there's nothing to be done about it now.
yunyun333
20hr ago
morris's view is basically the same as yours - Both sides did awful things, which is what happens in wars. The Arabs were the losing side and my view is that if people commit major mistakes in history they pay for them and perhaps that’s how it should work out. The Palestinians should have agreed to a two-state solution.
yunyun333
21hr ago
benny morris changed his political views and said "transfer/expulsion is good actually", but he is still willing to call it such.
yunyun333
20hr ago
i don't know what postmodernism has to do with this. it seems entirely possible to determine what in fact happened in 1948, whether arabs left because arab leadership told them to leave, or because they were afraid of being massacred, or because they were forcefully expelled by jewish soldiers, or for any other reason. motivations are more nebulous but you can look into official idf documents (plan D) and what leaders such as ben gurion wrote.
yunyun333
19hr ago
Fifth: the Arab governments' invitation to the people of Palestine to flee from it and seek refuge in adjacent Arab countries, after terror had spread among their ranks in the wake of the Deir Yassin event. This mass flight has benefited the Jews and the situation stabilized in their favor without effort.... Since 1948 we have been demanding the return of the refugees to their homeland, while it is we who constrained them to leave it. Between the invitation extended to the refugees and the request to the United Nations to decide upon their return, there elapsed only a few months.
so it was about deir yassin. people panicked and left of their own volition... because they believed they would be massacred
yunyun333
4d ago
They're maybe tangentially related to Biden stopping some shipments of bombs and threatening further restrictions.
yunyun333
26d ago
divestment is a pretty clear goal. it's worked before
the willing flight narrative has been thoroughly taken apart by israel's "new historians". here's a thorough review of the historiography: https://www.zochrot.org/publication_articles/view/51011/en?Were_they_expelled
some other examples:
israel's secret campaign of poisoning arab wells, countenanced by david ben gurion
deir yassin massacre
benny morris, who certainly is no bleeding heart leftist: "In truth, however, the Jews committed far more atrocities than the Arabs and killed far more civilians and PoWs in deliberate acts of brutality in the course of 1948, and noted that only 6 out of 392 towns and villages that he examined were abandoned due to Arab orders
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