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Suppose you're a scientist in charge of establishing relatively orderly and constructive contact with a tribe of buttflap-clad cannibal natives, deep in some godforsaken jungle, who have never seen an outsider before. How do you go about it?

Do you hover over their village in a helicopter while they shit themselves, then jump out to say hello on day one? No way, they're either going to start throwing spears at you or bow down and declare you their god.

Maybe instead you start coming and going on the fringes, observing, letting their hunting parties catch sight of you from a distance. You peek down on them from far above, and if you see them burning you in effigy maybe you hold off on trying to introduce yourself for the moment.

Basically I'm imagining a machine intelligence a million years past singularity going "pspsps" at us like we're a cat because, while we're nothing compared to them, we're way more interesting than all the uninhabited space they usually see. Shitty movies about aliens trying to steal our oceans and fuck our women are the equivalent of buttflap natives building mock helicopters out of bamboo and ritually setting them on fire.

So just keep buzzing their little fighter jets and going "pspsps" at them. Don't even think of landing on the White House lawn and saying hello until they can all at least admit to one another that they see you. What's an extra century or so to you at this point?

I'd be real interested in an answer here too. Modern American culture is completely built around overlooking and/or excusing the miserable abject failure of generations worth of attempted uplift of the black population. So much so that progressives like @Outlaw83 seem completely unaware that this failure is anything they could even possibly be asked to account for.

Sixty years of progressives failing miserably to budge the racial gap in... pretty much everything... and this guy thinks bulk import of Haitians is "rolling the dice" like this might just be the part where they suddenly start pulling it off.

The more black a place is, the more of a shithole it becomes. As far as I can tell this is an ironclad law of the universe, never to be thwarted by any amount of handouts or progressive apologetics. Pointing to a bunch of places full of Hispanics and intoning vaguely about "diversity" is a transparent dodge.

Springfield is fucked. In a few years everyone will have bars on their windows, ten years after that the town will be dead. Watching good progressives pretend that this time it'll be different is a comic spectacle at this point.

In other words no.

But have there been any previous epidemics where there existed a loud and visible group of dedicated "anti-vaxxers" whom the boomers didn't deride as hopeless imbeciles? The ones I know grew up looking at parents and other older relatives crippled by polio, watched measles and such get basically stamped out, and universally considered covid anti-vaxxers to be on par with lizardman conspiracists.

My experience in midwestern corn country is that it's a big flat grid where you can pretty much see to the horizon when the stalks aren't up, see cross traffic coming from miles away, and know that there are no cops because there's nowhere to set up a trap and not enough traffic to make it worthwhile anyway. As a result, you can basically drive as fast as your balls will let you, knowing that no one will ever make it to you in time if you manage to somehow wipe out going in a straight line. Trying to drive anywhere near the posted speed limit just means you occasionally get blown past by irritated locals.

Mind you I'm talking real Children of the Corn territory, well away from population centers. The kind of countryside where roads have reference numbers rather than names and you're eerily aware that this isn't the wilderness, but isn't really civilization either. It's fantastic, you can go fast as fuck and make better time than if you were on a freeway where traffic and construction existed.

Of course when the stalks are up, you have to keep your dick in your pants a bit, but during the winter and early spring if the pavement is dry it's basically the autobahn.

I do think we've reached some sort of inflection point. There can never be another The Marvels, there can never be another The Acolyte. They can only take so many nine-figure bombs directly on the chin, and the ones they've already taken have exposed certain truths.

It turns out that no, men will not automatically turn up for literally anything with the right brand name on it. Yes, you actually need to appeal to them on a continuing basis. No, women don't actually want to see male-coded space warrior bullshit but now with empowered lesbians of color. Women don't give a single shit about that kind of thing.

Popular media discourse likes to focus on the white male chuds who are constantly mad about all these shitty movies and shows, after all they are the ones making all the noise, but it's that silent overwhelming apathy from women that really left "modern audience" advocates up shit creek. They gambled billions on the idea that a bunch of LGBT activists knew what the female audience wanted, and they lost.

The other thing that's changed is that the "product not bad, audience just bigoted" defense has finally reached expiration even with dumbshit Reddit normies. The cancellation of The Acolyte really brought this to a head, with the press and the actress herself going out of their way to blame "a torrent of alt-right bigotry" blah blah blah, and people just weren't having it. You could see them in the /r/television thread going "Wait a minute... I think they just say this every time something is bad!" as their brains finally caught up to eight years ago.

Captain America 4 is going to come out next year and bomb, at which point the entire MCU theatrical slate for the last couple years will have consisted of Deadpool & Wolverine's white male asses sitting on a pile of a billion dollars, bracketed by humiliating diversity flops. Watching the usual suspects in the media struggle not to notice is going to be interesting.

Narrow single lane 25 mph streets are my favorite. Don't need a bike lane. I'll do my normal 12-15 mph and the cars can follow behind.

I don't know what life is like in San Francisco, but in my entire life I've never seen someone dare such a thing. I'd deadass be on my horn every single second until you got the hell out of the way, and you'd likely find yourself run over or beaten in the street within the month. Everyone would agree that it was unfortunate but that you sort of asked for it by being an asshole.

When people are shitting in the bushes, shitting in the river, shitting in alleys behind dumpsters, maybe that's a sign you need more public toilets. When they're shitting in the middle of the sidewalk in broad daylight, it's a sign that your progressive local government has decided coddling degenerates is more important than upholding basic order.

It's pathetic excuse-making. Like if a cannibal lunatic eats someone's face on a streetcorner and you pop up to go "Yeah hunger is a serious problem."

Whatever compassion some of us might have had has already been consumed by useless progressives letting addicts shit in the streets for years on end. Sorry if you thought there was an infinite amount of it to go around. Maybe take it up with the people squandering it, because those of us who just don't want human shit on the sidewalk are out of patience.

I prefer to think of the glass as being half full. If they can't evict the Muslims, at least they'll get to watch them burn the LGBT project to the ground.

Imagine what would transpire if any organization or group, of any nature, that wasn't part of the Democrat/media complex, tried to employ this kind of framing with this rationale. White dudes for Trump. White dudes who like video games. White dudes who knit. White dudes for literally anything other than simping for a nonwhite female Democrat.

The response from the aforementioned complex would be apocalyptic. There would be immediate cancellation efforts accompanied by thinkpieces attempting to delegitimize the idea that "material that is most relevant to white guys" even exists as a category separate from material relevant to anyone else. They would throw a complete hysterical shitfit.

I deadass dare you to opine otherwise with a straight face.

Part of Disney's problem in particular is that the company is just so gay now that it has a lesbian activist's idea of what women want, and it just doesn't comport with reality. Like Wonder Woman, with her bare shoulders and hunky boyfriend, made money in her first movie while drawing a substantial female audience. Then Disney comes along and says "Well if they liked that then they'll love bitchfaced pseudo-lesbians in onesies!" and The Marvels turns out to be a humiliating bomb.

If Disney were to remake Aliens, Newt would be right out, because a woman being motivated by maternal instinct is patriarchy or something. Ripley would be a gay-coded obnoxious know-it-all whose biggest problem is men telling her to smile more. It would flop horribly and we'd have to read a bunch of clickbait about how sexist everyone is for not giving a shit about it.

In any case, they're learning whether they like it or not. There'll never be another The Marvels. Deadpool/Wolverine is about to come out and make a billion dollars and blow the "superhero fatigue" excuse out of the water, too.

But yes, it turns out people who own businesses want to make more money, and they'll drop their appeal to males 18-34, if it'll help them also win over older males and women.

The word "if" is doing a lot of work here, what with the corpses of Star Wars, Marvel, etc. smoldering in the background. Has this idea ever worked out?

Hysteria from the left is already at 1000% and would remain that way regardless of Trump doing anything other than withdrawing from the race and jumping off a cliff. No point in caring about it.

as far as I'm concerned, this community is no longer worth coming to and they should work alongside me to build elsewhere.

You should start your own subreddit. With how much everyone deeply cares about your opinion, I bet it would be a huge hit and not at all a stillborn laughingstock monument to your own unwarranted sense of importance.

You announced that you were better than everyone and were starting your own community, and it turned out to be such a ghost town flop that even you can't maintain any actual interest in it.

Absolutely. There's just zero game theory reason for either side to allow the other to keep the prize once the Rubicon is crossed. The foundries are as good as gone the moment shooting starts.

There's no chance the US would allow the fabricators to fall into Chinese hands intact. On the other hand if China is losing, they may as well hit them and deny their use to the other side.

I don't consider a Google Images search to be a well-sourced claim,

I don't consider vague handwaving in the direction of poverty to be a serious argument in the first place. If there were any meaningful population-level cognitive metric where the racial gap could be plausibly reduced to income, or any other factor able to be discussed in polite company, the media would make sure absolutely everyone knew about it and this place would have fifty threads per month on the topic.

If you do happen to be sitting on such game-changing data then feel free to make a top-level post on the subject in this week's thread, as I'm sure everyone will be very much interested, but personally I'm done here.

If not, then don't feel glum. The people who agree with you are the ones actually making policy on the subject, and that's likely to remain the case indefinitely. You'll get to spend the rest of your life talking about how the gap can theoretically be closed.

I favor a more, well not entirely race-blind approach, but certainly a more targeted approach that mainly focuses on wealth as it is rather than other groupings.

Have you ever tried looking up achievement scores controlled for both race and income? The results are pretty gruesome across the board. Even if you completely leave aside all but the wealthiest blacks, you're left with a group that can compete with only the very poorest whites, while being crushed outright by even the most poverty-stricken Asians.

From an HBD point of view this is all totally unsurprising, but the other side is perpetually left scrambling for some kind of bullshit mini structural micro systemic racism that makes the family of a wealthy black doctor worse off than that of the Asian immigrant who scrubs their shitter for them. It's horseshit. It's a bad joke, and I don't need to fuck around in the weeds over statistical methodology to call it a joke.

Even Reddit normies are getting sick of being beaten over the head with the message, and are getting updoots for saying so.

https://old.reddit.com/r/television/comments/1dewmxw/the_boys_season_4_premiere_discussion/?sort=top

You, the invoker of IQ, need to prove the numbers work as numbers and aren't better being left as philosophical concepts or practical examples, or point to something well established that does.

Funny, I don't think I do. What I think is that we have a testable metric which at the population level correlates reliably and meaningfully with both racial groupings and life outcomes, that this fact has substantial explanatory power, and that these correlations will persist regardless of what you think of that metric.

What I think is that fifty or sixty years of failed racial uplift will in due time turn into seventy, and then eighty, and then ninety, a hundred, so on and so forth indefinitely, barring the apocalypse or some sort of massive sci-fi technological intervention. I think that when you and I are both dead from old age, the exact same group will still be hopelessly behind, and someone somewhere will still be doing this exact same tap dance.

They'll still be just as eager to repeat how racial categories can have fuzzy boundaries, still ever so philosophically uncertain of the value of IQ as a metric. But that uncertainty will never allow them to raise a proportionately equal share of brain surgeons, or what have you, from the population at the bottom of the ranking.

AFAIK as IQ is deliberately intended to be normalized, the gap is exactly the same 85 to 100 as 100 to 115, and if you think that those two aren't the same, you are also inherently saying that IQ is the wrong tool for the job.

I'm not sure what you're even trying to get at here. A fifteen point gap at the higher end of the distribution isn't likely to be noticeable in everyday casual interaction, but at the lower end it can be the difference between someone who can at least tell you their own name and a total potato.

That's not even getting into the whole "what benchmark do we set 100 at", do we update it year to year or try to peg it to some historical benchmark (though this is not necessarily fatal to IQ as a metric in the same way the first is, it does present a question that must be addressed when using IQ).

The people who want to pooh-pooh the utility of IQ as a metric have had the reigns of society for generations now and their attempts at racial uplift have been a humiliating failure.