MayorofOysterville
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MayorofOysterville
6d ago
But as to the filtering issue, finding a woman who is GENUINELY serious about getting married and is marriageable is the big one. There's no pressure on women to actually get married, and serious pressure on her to delay until she has her fun/her career is established. I don't think any individual guy can defeat this social pressure without a lot of assistance.
This is why you should go abroad! I know we've had this conversation before but I think it would solve your problems a big problem of which is that you are out of sink with Western dating norms a lot of Westerners of either gender don't care that much about body count, don't care that much about tattoos and don't want to settle down at least not before they are 35. Whereas in many countries they align more with your values. Imagine a Christian dating in Japan and complaining that they can't find Christians to date them moving somewhere else isn't pushing the problem down it's going somewhere values align.
I sort of reject this solution because it exports the problem to that country. where are THEIR males supposed to go?
You could go to Ukraine after the war. They had a surplus of women before the war now it's even more lopsided.
MayorofOysterville
8d ago
Because the State has incorporated most of Christianity's community-building aspects. You don't make the choice to donate your time to the soup kitchen any more; the government simply confiscates your time (through a process known as "income tax") and runs that program itself (at times it will pay religious groups to do this).
Most Christian Churches do still do things like soup kitchens and community meals and similar things. The Mormon Church has a whole internal welfare system and huge pressure on members to volunteer for the Church which most do. Churches actually can do these things if they are vibrant and organized. Also Christianity first grew under the oppression of the Roman state. If the Romans couldn't kill it do you really think it's JUST income tax?
MayorofOysterville
12d ago
This seems the way. Swift and sure punishment is how you create very safe societies with modern policing. Look at Dubai many people here insist that a society full of Arabs and Indians can be so safe and yet it is.
MayorofOysterville
15d ago
That also involved locking people up in their houses and a politically charged death.
MayorofOysterville
15d ago
If one very seriously believes that the world was attacked by an artificial bioweapon
Because an unintentional leak is entirely different then an attack and in most of the lab leak theories America is also heavily implicated so both America and China decided to cover it up. Also what "atrocities" get ginned up is often just left up to political expediency. Indonesia carried out a genocide of Chinese in recent memory yet since the Chinese government doesn't make a big deal about it it's fallen by the wayside.
Also you keep using the word bioweapon and attack which yes if China attacked America with a bioweapon there might be a war, but if China let a US funded research virus escape from a lab through sloppy protocol that's an entirely different thing.
MayorofOysterville
15d ago
And even that coverup was the Wuhan local government who were all dismissed from their posts and disciplined. China fired the Wuhan leaders and placed the city and province under the direct control of the health ministry for a while.
MayorofOysterville
19d ago
This is basically the exact same deal Denmark signed in 1951. It's nothing new.
MayorofOysterville
19d ago
This seems like a big nothing burger to keep Trump happy. Isn't this just the 1951 deal except with the USSR replaced by China and Russia? And it's not like Denmark was going to allow China to station soldiers there or China would even want to anyway. It just seems like great headlines but no substantial change.
MayorofOysterville
19d ago
Well yeah but that's entirely their own fault. The FSSP shows the church would have let them exist and be trads just fine.
MayorofOysterville
20d ago
I think a full publication of Aella's beliefs and activities would shock normie libs it's just the outlets have no reason to do a hit piece on her.
MayorofOysterville
20d ago
Aella has already received several softball interviews from decently big outlets. It'd need a big change for them to turn on her.
MayorofOysterville
20d ago
Great post about a subculture I know nothing about and the corporatization of everything. I'd guess it's a function of lack of social trust and liability law plus the general collapse of community but it seems like organic events like this have been dying off for decades until there's barely anything left.
MayorofOysterville
20d ago
The Benedict option worked pretty well for the Amish, the Hasidim and the SSPX, and the Hasidim even know how to use state power to their advantage. It doesn't work very well for normie conservatives trying to live in the world.
MayorofOysterville
20d ago
And Islam comes with a complete premodern worldview and value system, complete with legal code straight out of the eighth century.
So did pre-enlightment Christianity and Judaism. Canon Law and Jewish law aren't that different from Sharia.
MayorofOysterville
20d ago
Well Western Muslims likely could there's already gay affirming Mosques in the West. Non Western Christians don't hang rainbow flags in their churches either.
MayorofOysterville
20d ago
They already are in the sense that all nationally elected Muslim politicians are gay marriage supporting progressives. The "Muslim" elite amongst the progressives are just using their religion for oppression stack points. The lower level less so, but it's the same with Black Americans many have the same social beliefs as white conservatives but the national elite needs to be Democrat party line compatible.
MayorofOysterville
20d ago
But I have trouble finding any sort of consistent principles in modern progressivism that don't boil down to "who, whom".
It makes sense when you realize that progressivism is an intensely provincial movement despite their pretensions at worldliness. The principle is they look at those groups power and position in America and project it on the world. and into the world it's how you get BLM protests in places like Switzerland. It's just vomiting American issues. They have a really hard time caring about anything they can't map onto American culture war lines.
MayorofOysterville
20d ago
Possibly but Pahlavi had other problems besides political Islam and a much more developed society. He had Islamists， Communists and Liberals all against him. He was also very out of touch and high handed. Simply not banning independent parties in the parliament or letting protests peter out instead of shooting at them might have both worked. Look at what the king of Morocco did during the Arab spring sack the prime minister create a superficially changed constitution legalize some parties and let all the revolutionary energy peter out while you keep the power. That's what he should have done. Oh and not do stuff like champagne toasts on TV in a Muslim country and through parties to rival Versailles
I'm not sure Khomeini would have taken any pact deal he was as much of a revolutionary as the Communists in how he wanted to transform society.
MayorofOysterville
20d ago
Dhul Qarnayn is based on the Alexander Legend, the Sleepers of Ephesus are in there for some reason as fact instead of legend, the stories of Mary are from known apocryphal texts like the Protoevangelium of James, the story of Adam in the Garden it uses dates is from the Cave of Treasures and dates back to the 5th century iirc.
The best bit of marketing Islam ever pulled was convincing even its critics that it merely copied the Bible. If only.
The best thing it has going for it is that most Muslims never read the original sources. Or the Qur'an itself for that matter.
I feel like this presents less of a problem then you think for Islam most religions have these kind of things in their sacred texts and it tends not to move believers. The flood being in the epic of Gilgamesh for example. If you are a believer you just don't believe these stories precede yours and are rather corruptions of the truth. Muslims don't care about the Catholic canon and if you believe in Islam then one of Mohamed's key prophetic missions was to define which Abrahamic/Christian stories were true and which aren't.
From a historical perspective though it's a very interesting soup of heterodox Christianity and Judaism that Islam grew out of.
MayorofOysterville
20d ago
Such as? The public stuff is already pretty eyebrow raising.
MayorofOysterville
23d ago
This is an absurd exaggeration of what the US did in Afghanistan. Like come on the US occupied it because supporting the Mujahedeen and then leaving a power vacuum worked out terribly last time and led almost directly to 9/11. And come on the NGOs in Afghanistan were doing things like teaching women to read and digging wells they weren't busting out the gender unicorn.
MayorofOysterville
23d ago
Yeah I think the Motte is missing a bit on this most of Lindsay's supporters want her to be committed to a mental hospital. On the face of it's not that big a deal, the steelman would be this is a woman on a huge cocktail of psychiatric drugs, who had just been committed to a mental hospital and because she was extremely mentally ill killed her kids. I mean on the face of it strangling your kids with exercise bands is not terribly sane. Now I don't think she was legally not guilty by reason of insanity but I don't think it's crazy to think she was. I do think it's crazy to form a "fandom" and donate to her defense.
Also the real crazy women are saying the husband did it which is surprisingly wide spread. I feel like this has been ignored on the Motte because it doesn't fit the narrative of women excusing child murder and rather gets to the heart of the issue which is white feminist misandry and entitlement, with huge amounts of ingroup favoritism and women are wonderful dolloped on top.
MayorofOysterville
23d ago
The pro-choice, pro adult-human-female, feminist, female-supremecist etc side thinks that women are valuable. Every child has a mother, most mothers love their children and experience deep suffering and loss, therefore killing a child usually causes lots of harm to a woman
They both care, because they both perceive harm being done to someone they care about. But one faction's care is conditional on that child having a mother who loves them and is harmed,
I really don't think this is a correct model of what they are thinking. In fact liberals/feminists usually attempt to reduce the amount of authority parents have over their children and a common liberal critique of conservatives is that conservatives only care about children as an extension of their parents and not as autonomous human beings. Pro choice people and liberals also believe they value life for it's own sake and that conservatives don't. They really believe that a fetus is not a baby and so don't see it as de-valuing life.
I also think you underestimate how many conservative or right coded women are pro* Lindsay Clancy.
*it's important to remember that the pro side still want her committed to a mental hospital.
MayorofOysterville
24d ago
Yeah fair I think you a correct in retrospect. My blood was up a bit because of the suggestion that the US launch some sort of war of extermination against Islam. Though also to be fair I don't George Bush said the attacks had nothing to do with Islam either.
Can you say why you'd choose Singapore over mainland China? They'd seem to fit your values more Singapore isn't exactly couple heaven lots of women staying unmarried. Mainland China is full of 27 year old responsible office women who are incredibly easy to date.
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