JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
Some times Charlie was in the trees.
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JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
13hr ago
Perhaps, but I'm skeptical.
I understood them as saying...
It's an interesting affirmation that everyone understands and acts on racist phenomena.
in response to...
It sounds like a pretty straightforward remake of Taken.
...which suggests that they see Taken (and by extension the other movies I mentioned) as "an interesting affirmation that everyone understands and acts on racist phenomena". Too which I replied "this attitude says more about you than it does the movie"
As with @hanikrummihundursvin, I think the fact that your mind goes immediately to the race angle rather than the "daddy needs to step in and handle things" angle reveals more about you than it does the movies in question.
It's an interesting affirmation that everyone understands and acts on racist phenomena.
I haven't seen Citizen Vigilante but in regards to Taken I would say that this attitude says more about you than it does the movie.
"formal authorities are uncaring/ineffectual/complicit and it falls upon a square-jawed father figure to step in and correct the obvious injustice" is practically a genre unto itself. Death Wish, True Grit, John Wick, Dirty Harry, Die Hard, and The Equalizer all immediately spring to mind. Guys like Liam Neeson, Clint Eastwood, Denzel Washington, and Jason Statham have built entire careers around playing this sort of role.
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
15hr ago
Okay, but what if the terms actually are materialist?
Then "value" is defined solely in terms of blood and treasure.
If the terms are actually materialist, then competition IS war and there is nothing further to discuss.
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
5d ago
The motives for war are largely orthogonal to how it is fought.
Your desire to paint everything in purely materialist terms is simply another example of how the liberal mindset seeks to undermine and destroy traditional Western notions of virtue.
Did "the West" betray young men or did "the liberal striver class"?
...and can "the liberal striver class" be described as "betraying" young men if were not first allied?
Liberalism has been at war with masculinity for a close to century now, CS Lewis wrote an entire treatise on the subject 83 years ago.
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
6d ago
The application of the Greer/Freeman model to the last decade is that the GOP went MAGA as a result of grassroots Republicans voting in primaries, whereas the Dems went woke-prog as a result of the machinations of the Groups. I think this is obviously correct.
This is the opposite of your previously stated thesis. Are you trying to "Duck Season/Rabbit Season" me?
Yes, I am aware that the illustration is just an illustration. You're missing the point.
As horrified as Oppenheimer may have been by the prospect of nuclear annihilation he was also largely responsible for making it a possibility. As @Quantumfreakonomics says, he could have followed Isidor Rabi's example, but he didn't.
Oppenheimer was an Autist in that he seems to have lacked a basic understanding of social dynamics and game theory, that is why he was shocked and appalled when circumstances deviated from his preconceptions and that is why Truman was right to tell him off. A more "neurotypical" individual would have understood that you don't hand a person leverage if you don't want that leverage to be used.
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
7d ago
If you think "human flourishing" is "a dodge" why not just embrace wire-heading and pump the entire population full of opioids?
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
7d ago
The formal organization of both main US parties is almost exactly the same
Formally? perhaps. In practice? Not at all.
Greer and Freeman are trying to model the GOP from the perspective of outside observers, and their models fail because they have failed to grasp the simple fact that constituent interest groups of the GOP are not "an alternative power base" so much as they ARE the power base.
If formal leadership even mattered even half as much as Greer and Freeman suggest Trump would've never been the nominee, and "your take" reads as you naively believing liberal propaganda from 10 years ago. Sure, perhaps if you were to ask Jeb Bush and Liz Cheney they might characterize themselves as "America's natural ruling elite" but that's also why they are now on the outside looking in.
Formal leadership tried to fight the constituents and formal leadership lost, Decisively.
Don't act like you wouldn't build the Torment Nexus form the classic Sci-Fi novel Don't Create the Torment Nexus if given the opportunity. This is why the OP is telling Anthropic (and the rest of the CFAR/MIRI crowd) that they need to rewatch Oppenheimer. Specifically the last two bullet points in mind.
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
8d ago
Because sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
A good friend of mine from college ended up doing thier did grad work at SAIL and then going on to write a good bit of DALL-E's original codebase. To this day they insist that to the extent that "AI" is dangerous that danger comes not from some foom scenario but from Silicon Valley being populated by autists and sociopaths with Altman specifically called out as one of the latter.
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
8d ago
Trump controls the party, not the other way round.
This is just dumb. No one "controls the party" unlike the Democrats the GOP is explicitly organized as a coalition of otherwise sovereign entities rather than a top-down organization.
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
8d ago
Andrew Tate and Nick Fuentes are both far more likely to find a home in a Democrat controlled administration than a Republican one.
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
13d ago
(who themselves are after all only part Indian, many are much lighter skinned than the average actual Indian)
It's sad that I need to keep pointing this out, but again it's not about skin-color it's about whether you present as belonging/being a member of the culture.
in a material world, which is what most of our society lives in...
That is one of the core points of disagreement is it not?
You say pain and suffering are variables that must be minimized or eliminated, and I say that this attitude is dysgenic and fundamentally incompatible with human flourishing.
Neuroticism, extremely short time-preferences, hyper-feminization, lack of emotional regulation, pre-occupation with one's own validation/gratification. These are not healthy qualities to have in a partner but they are endemic (and often celebrated) within the liberal striver class because they are the qualities celebrated and promoted by the philosophies of "Emancipation", "Self Actualization", Etc...
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
14d ago
I think it is extremely pertinent.
There is a common assumption here on theMotte that a high verbal IQ is a direct proxy for knowledge, competence, virtue, grit, etc... and it is that assumption that I am challenging.
See @HereAndGone2's comment on "midwits" down thread.
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
14d ago
That is one of my favorites as well.
The recent Southport riots have shown that a lot of people just aren't that competent at rioting,
Please define "competent at rioting"?
by what metrics are we judging a rioter's proficiency? Property damage? Amount of favorable press coverage?
Do you believe that the median Silicon Valley Tech-Bro has a higher IQ than the median 19th century Tommy? If so, do you believe that if the historical defenders were to be magically replaced with a randomly selected band of tech-bros, that the tech-bros would perform better than the Tommys did?
JeSuisCharlie
Sumner, Hebdo, Kirk
20d ago
It is good that we have been able to speak plainly.
And this is where Friedman and his disciples would point out that "the myth" is true. There is a very real sense in wich being willing to die does in fact make make you free. Someone can put a gun to your head but they can't make you do anything if you are sincerely prepared to eat that bullet.
"To every man upon this earth.
Death cometh soon or late.
And how can man die better.
Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his Gods."
Nor would i say the right is "baffled" so much as we have different reasons and motives.
As anyone with small children will tell you, you get more of of what you tolerate.
If you tolerate the distribution and possession of child porn you are going to get more child porn. You may claim that you do not endorse it's production, but you will be the person enabling and encouraging it.
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