dr_analog
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dr_analog
top 1% of underdog fetishists
1d ago
Yeah. Don't mind me, I'm projecting.
Well, it's ordered if the plan is to win the war.
It's deranged if the goal is to seek truth, which is what the public is owed.
Maybe the Minnesota AG can indict the wife on murder charges so that they can subpoena all of the evidence, because I don't see any other way a real investigation will happen.
Also, did the wrong thing happen to Chauvin? I don't believe he really intended to kill GF but he really should have known how dangerous that move was. He previously put someone in the hospital for doing it.
dr_analog
top 1% of underdog fetishists
1d ago
It would be fun if it were true in the same way everyone who was shot by Rittenhouse just happened to be a criminal in some way.
Just for the sake of argument: living with dad is not necessarily the same as court ordered legal custody or evidence of abuse and neglect.
Sometimes kids prefer living with the parent that's more checked out and permissive instead of the responsible one. It's annoyingly common.
dr_analog
top 1% of underdog fetishists
1d ago
Link? Epistemic status of these claims seems like 'social media rumors', to me.
I was joking. Sorry. Yes I agree with you.
dr_analog
top 1% of underdog fetishists
1d ago
A more full treatment of the 2019 officer body cam is here. It's inside of a news segment but no less disturbing. There's the part where a car drives up to her and stops and then a second part later where it drives into her.
CW: This is a first person video of female law enforcement officer being hit by a car. You hear her scream and groan. She dies from this. Hearing it makes it 10x worse to me, for whatever reason.
dr_analog
top 1% of underdog fetishists
1d ago
I contend the bullets were a lot more offensive than the words.
We probably could still use that Minneapolis mega thread, after all.
Addressing only some of your points:
The top down approach to this issue from the administration has been deranged IMO and pure conflict theorist.
I think there should be a credible investigation of the officer to get all of the facts out, even though I think it was justifiable self defense, so far. That probably isn't happening. That's bad.
Separately, I haven't seen many people here argue that the driver was specifically trying to kill him. The dominant belief is that she was recklessly driving away but didn't have good control, she clipped him, and some combination of the two ton vehicle coming right at him and the contact reasonably scared him into shooting her.
If you look at the third video from the officer's POV, it is indeed scary. It very much looks like the same setup of body cam video from 2019: guy in a vehicle, stopped, same distance, floors it and runs over the officer. Takes a second at most. The officer dies from the fatal crushing injuries. You can find both videos in last week's thread if you are inclined.
I freaked out a bit myself just watching the first person video of Good floor her car at him. I would have shot her too.
The bundle of biases I've collected in my life up to now cause me to react that way. To me it seems reasonable.
For fuck's sake, someone (possibly Ross) called her a "fucking bitch" not two seconds after she was shot, which cuts the other way.
That "fucking bitch" only sounds bad if you're not capable of empathizing with the state of mind of someone who opened fire because he thought she was trying to run him over.
dr_analog
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2d ago
That's incredible. I would retweet this, if I didn't want to incur some micropoliticalviolencetarget charges.
dr_analog
top 1% of underdog fetishists
2d ago
What if she's the partner that stays home and tends to the house though?
dr_analog
top 1% of underdog fetishists
2d ago
I'm happy these guys have found something to do but attempting to make forecasts about socio-scientific progress as if it was a natural/mechanistic process feels too much like physics envy.
I identify with 2rafa's POV. While I think what you're saying is true at the extremes, how does it apply to the US? The Jan 6th rioters appeared to me to be hallucinating a tyranny as much as the people opposing ICE's lawful deportations are now. I disagree with portraying me as a friend of the warlord because the warlord is about one guy's vibe about what's right and using his club, whereas rule of law is much more legitimate than that.
The anarchy here comes from people who are otherwise materially well-off and essentially free being made mentally unwell. While the state's rule of law corresponds to at least some attachment to reality: judges ultimately field test what lawmakers and the executive enact against the constitution and reality. Yes some judges are unhinged culture warriors but I think it's fair to say 1/3rd to a half still care about reality. And we are not yet at the point where judges are being assassinated for handing down judgments that powers don't want to see. Wake me up when that's happening, I guess.
EDIT: I asked SlopGPT for examples of states with solid democracy and rule of law that still underwent rebellion and it cited the UK w.r.t. The Troubles, Spain post-Franco w.r.t. ETA, and Canada w.r.t. Quebec separatism. Surprising. So I suppose I have some reading to do.
EDIT2: although these time periods coincide with global trends in relaxed policing. Pinker's view would be that lax policing encourages disorder instead of cooperation by changing the payoffs
dr_analog
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2d ago
I created a top-level post in the CW thread because it feels even more presumptuous to create a megathread, but maybe I'm thinking about this wrong.
dr_analog
top 1% of underdog fetishists
2d ago
lol what? It's faster to read it than watch the movie. Though I'm guessing the gag is they diverge quite a bit.
dr_analog
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3d ago
To put it another way: liberals and conservatives both generally agree that you are obligated to obey legitimate laws and you are not obligated to obey illegitimate laws (and, indeed, may be obligated not to obey - 'orders are orders' not being considered a good excuse for bad behavior).
How does that not boil down to simply "the mob is right when it agrees with me over what laws are illegitimate"?
I think people generally feel like they're obligated to follow laws even if they disagree with them, and our opportunity to change them if we think they're unjust is through the ballot box. Of course, they feel this, but don't really mean it when it comes to some deeply tribal issues.
dr_analog
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3d ago
I'll make a prediction after I see what happens today when the sun sets and the ICE protesters realize we still live under fascist tyranny or whatever.
dr_analog
top 1% of underdog fetishists
3d ago
I'm starting a new top-level regarding trigger happy Iceman meets wine mom in Minneapolis because, rather than debating the videos, I'd like to focus more on a compare and contrast to get a true culture war angle. People have made an analogy to the woman who died on Jan 6th but I don't think it lands strongly enough. Permit me to cut closer to the bone, friends.
The only fatality on Jan 6th was an unarmed woman being shot by a federal agent[1] because she was opposing what she considered an illegitimate government action. Liberals tearlessly argued this is what happens when you Fuck Around while conservatives argued she was righteously Resisting (TM).
Today the players are the same but the jerseys are flipped. Liberals cry with so, so many tears of empathy for the dead woman in the car while conservatives argue they were obstructing a legitimate state function and put the officer in danger and this is what happens when you Fuck Around.
In broad strokes it's clear neither side cares about democracy or rule of law per se. Conservative faith in rule of law evaporates when it says no to Trump and liberal empathy for the scrappy civil disobedients dries up when it's a Chud. Both sides are happy with mob violence when it's their side doing it and cry tyranny whenever they Find Out.
- Okay a federally employed capitol police officer, not technically a federal agent. Sorry for the artistic license.
dr_analog
top 1% of underdog fetishists
3d ago
Well that was disturbing. I don't know what I was expecting. Hearing the officer get hit is terrible. Apparently the jury got the unedited extended version where you can hear her struggle with her fatal crushing injuries.
I wonder if law enforcement is trained on these exact videos.
I imagine the protests over the hijab girl being killed made everyone's private doubts public though.
dr_analog
top 1% of underdog fetishists
3d ago
The large protests awhile ago in response to that woman being beaten to death in police captivity for not wearing her hijab suggests the regime is not as ideologically aligned with the public as they had hoped.
Additionally, the current unrest is based on material issues. Iran has a bad drought, bleak prospects for water security, is facing rising inflation on basic goods, their currency is devaluing and shop keepers are closing in protest.
I don't think you need to be on America's side to be a dissatisfied Iranian.
dr_analog
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4d ago
I meant "bath house" is doing a lot of work. They're not, like, a sauna and a hot tub and other spa things. This one was just a shower area and also hallways to rooms. No real place to chill.
dr_analog
top 1% of underdog fetishists
4d ago
I think the shooting is legally justified, but I wouldn't want that officer hired to be my local beat cop. He was more careless with his positioning and more trigger happy than he had to be.
Yeah I think given this encounter and his recent history being dragged by a car, he's unlucky at best and should probably be transferred to a desk or something.
Perhaps every officer who fires their gun should just be retired from working on the street. It's certainly rare enough.
My personal update from this footage is: if I saw this driver look at me and then surge forward with her car and hit me I would reasonably conclude she's trying to hurt me/my partners. She is dangerous.
Whether she intended to hurt me is interesting but not relevant to my decision to open fire. I'd absolutely have shot her too.
Basically, she seems more dangerous and the agent more reasonable than yesterday.
My bad. I got lost. I read his comment and then came back to it a few hours later and thought it was a different one.
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