Botond173
7hr ago
I'm not so sure these expectations will die with the Boomers.
If not, then probably with GenX-ers.
Botond173
8hr ago
'You're too old now, you're 29 and never got married, all you can hope for is that some cougar will take pity on you and make you her toy-boy' - well that's just a straight-talking assessment of your SMV, not a rejection of you as a whole person?
I'd say it's a rejection of your life goals for sure, if you happen to be a 29-yr-old single man who is specifically planning to find a wife and form a family (so presumably a religious or at least traditionalist man). Other than that, I imagine a lot of 29-yr-old single men would at least be OK with becoming toy boys.
Botond173
11hr ago
I think the unstated assumption is that assuming state responsibility for the welfare of bastards would be enabling the irresponsible behavior of their biological parents, and most citizens don't want that. Paying for the sick and elderly is similarly generally seen as the state's responsibility only when other options are unavailable.
Botond173
13hr ago
Can you please explain what 'statutory child support' is as opposed to, well, child support?
Botond173
13hr ago
Botond173
13hr ago
Many states are making the spouse of the mother is listed on the birth certificate by default, even if they obviously are not the father.
As this, as far as I know, has actually been a decree in the Napoleonic Code, and basically the simple codified normalization of a Christian tradition, I'm not surprised. I don't think it's anything new.
Botond173
13hr ago
It seems the OP on that bygone blog was a bit of a doomposter then. At least it's what we can conclude as of now. Then again, doomposting generally did seem more than warranted back then.
Botond173
13hr ago
But does the cost of supporting and raising a family end up being paid by the true father? No.
Can we reintroduce debt slavery and forced labor then please? In order to turn that into a 'yes'?
Botond173
13hr ago
Can you elaborate on what a "men's feminist movement" would look like?
A general refusal and avoidance of taking overall responsibility for women, thus representing the further erosion of the old patriarchal order, in the same way the feminist movement contributed to that erosion through its refusal and avoidance of being accountable to men. And for men and women old enough to have been acculturated in patriarchal monogamous norms, it will come across as disgusting, much more so in fact than feminism ever did.
Botond173
14hr ago
Suffragettes did not get the credit they deserve for persisting with their non-woman-like behavior in public.
...what?
Botond173
14hr ago
Generally they are more along the lines of a man may contest paternity for a limited period. If he discovers false paternity years later he's SOL.
I kind of wonder what contesting paternity means in a practical sense in this context. Let’s suppose the wife does not agree to a test. Then what?
The men who really get screwed by family courts are typically low status who married very poorly.
I’d argue that the causality is reversed, in a sociological sense. When a divorce is initiated, which is done by the wife in most cases, society will assume that the husband is low-status because he was divorced. People will generally assume that it was his fault, because reasons.
People don't live atomic lives, and higher class women will have their behaviour policed by friends and family.
First I'd suggest that you may be underestimating the overall level of social atomization. Otherwise I'd inquire what policing actually entails here. Is it that her behavior is policed during the marriage so that she is discouraged from filing for divorce? Or is it that she gets policed after the filing of divorce so that she doesn't overdo her vengeance?
Botond173
1d ago
I’ll raise the issue of paternity testing as potential culture war fuel.
As far as I know, the law in US federal states and Western European countries is usually that a husband may not have a paternity test done on the child or children unless the wife agrees to it in writing and the family court permits it (in case of a divorce). I’m not a lawyer and I don’t know the specifics. But anyway, the practical reality is that a husband having such a test done on the kids without consulting anyone else is illegal. Basically there is never any permission given to do such tests.
On one of the now-defunct Manosphere sites, namely Dalrock’s blog, a regular commenter who went under the online name Novaseeker made a prediction about 10 or more years ago: not only will there not be any new legislation making paternity tests easier, as usually demanded online by angry men’s rights activists, but the opposite will happen. Namely: a growing number of men, usually in case of facing an initiated divorce, will start tinkering with these laws, covertly getting paternity tests done, basically on the black market, and this in turn will result on corresponding legislation becoming even more punitive and restrictive. There’ll be heavy fines, maybe even prison sentences etc.
Again, this was written more than 10 years ago. I wonder if anything of this has materialized or not.
Botond173
1d ago
A computer game featuring a nuclear family as characters, so a human adult woman as the wife and one or more human biological children (not androids), one where the player has to fulfill the role of the protector patriarch and husband, would obviously be much more effective ragebait to Blue Tribe online feminists, because in their view this is basically the full manifestation of the typical toxic male fantasy.
You’re right; in Pragmata there is no wife, and the child is an android and not a biological human. However, the player is still supposed to be the protector patriarch to this android, and is thus, according to the reasoning of Blue Tribers, designed to pander to the toxic fantasies of angry loser males who are otherwise mostly unfit to attract flesh-and-blood women and form families in the real world.
Botond173
1d ago
In other words, they do fear backlash from their own employees, and that is part of it.
Botond173
1d ago
doing a bunch of things that nobody in the western games industry wants to do
Out of fear of backlash, you mean? Or out of simple profit considerations? Or something else?
Botond173
2d ago
I'll probably regret asking, but how is the robot daughter in the game 'loli-coded'?
Botond173
2d ago
Progressive stranglehold on video game culture or video games themselves?
Botond173
2d ago
Who is the wife?
In this case, nobody. I didn't claim that the game wholly represents the typical male fantasy in the eyes of Blue Tribers, only that it feeds into it. In other words, it goes into the same mental bucket.
This reads like some political comedy piece.
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