Botond173
1d ago
I'm guessing OP's point isn't that Bush should have declared a global crusade against Islam, it's that he basically went overboard by calling Islam a religion of peace, that it was needless and there was no political justification to do it. It's best to do anything in moderation even in politics.
Botond173
1d ago
True - (regular) Reddit commenters are a tiny minority. But that doesn't necessarily mean their views are fringe. We can merely infer that they feel unusually strongly about those views and thus feel compelled to keep declaring them. It's entirely conceivable that huge numbers of average people agree with them while not feeling any particular inclination to howl this into the virtual wind. And this probably applies to feminist beliefs in particular. I'm afraid a single man lurking around a female-coded hobby group and basically infiltrating it in order to find women to approach online will not be looked upon positively among normies at all if exposed, even if none of those normies ever commented on Reddit.
Botond173
2d ago
Doesn't all this normally count as online stalking/harassment in the eyes of normies?
Botond173
2d ago
I think it's more accurate to say that upper middle-class established men care about the social status of their marriage partners.
Botond173
2d ago
I don't think concubines had the obligation to be responsible mothers, did they?
Botond173
2d ago
The current crop of Gen Z males is the least feminist of any currently-living generation.
Which...isn't exactly saying much. Also, this survey seems to actually merely prove that this crop is the least feminist when compared to their female counterparts, doesn't it?
And he has the ability, if he wants, to publicize any particular detail of his case he wants.
...which is only going to be watched by his loyal fans who already believe in him.
Botond173
2d ago
In the first, she went out to the budding celebrity guy's house, stayed there and never asked to leave, drank alcohol willingly (she claims he said it was water, but that claim doesn't hold any), and the 'worst' he is accused of doing is penetrating her while she was asleep, already in his bed. And apparently continued to try and engage with him (in hopes of boosting her streamer career) for up to a YEAR after the interactions.
In the second, its more standardized human trafficking allegations, among which is the threat to withhold a passport in exchange for sexual favors, but again, very little evidence that these women were not understanding the nature of the other party.
And in the final one, it was again a case of someone agreeing to sex, including threesomes (being clear, SHE alleges this! She's saying she just lacked capacity to consent!) after AGREEING to take various psychoactive drugs, and otherwise being very open to the activities but then coming back and deciding that no maybe that was not what she wanted after all. So most of these circumstances lack any element of physical coercion or incapacitation, and some have clear indicators of consent present!
It's well that you're willing to dig all these details up but unfortunately the average young guy isn't. He is likely to be indoctrinated by mainstream liberal lipstick feminism, as are his parents. He's an NPC normie who usually only reads the headlines. If not, he maybe reads or skims through the article itself but again, it's likely to present a lipstick feminist perspective on the whole issue. Only a tiny minority will go down the rabbit hole and investigate the incident at hand, digging up online reports, public police or court documents, reading posts about it on dissident and decidedly anti-feminist sites etc. Most normies will only care to learn the most basic details and then dismiss the entire matter as another case of evil, toxic, woman-hating chuds violently raping unsuspecting blameless virginal women they first got drunk or something. Again, I want to believe you and I think you have a point about larger long-term trends but I suggest that we be realistic about this.
Botond173
2d ago
Why am I not surprised that you thought it necessary to add that the destitute male virgin in your story is 6'3.
Botond173
2d ago
The issue with such advice is that it comes across to single women as tone-deaf exhortation to capitulate in the sexual rat race by not even putting themselves in situations where desirable men notice them. This is why their reaction do this is snark, anger and resentment.
Botond173
3d ago
I'm also guessing that many of them actually did not believe women would feel sexual shame anymore once the external social tools of shaming are removed.
Botond173
3d ago
Maybe you were trying to open it on a company network. Do these links work?
https://www.npr.org/transcripts/92292747 https://www.hoover.org/research/myth-big-sort https://www.broadstreetreview.com/articles/why-was-the-big-sort-overlooked
Botond173
3d ago
I'd also suggest looking at this from a slightly different angle. I think the grave mistake this girl realized she made was not merely that she decided to be a slut in the moment but that she did so with guys that were either within her social circle or directly connected to it. Because it's not the act of slutting in itself that classic (women-on-women) slut-shaming seeks to suppress but slutting that has a detrimental effect on the social status of any member of the female social group in question. (Because the erosion in the social status of even one member reflects badly on the whole group.)
Botond173
3d ago
presumably smart enough to attend that university
I don't think that's saying much especially when we're talking about some meathead on a sports scholarship.
Botond173
3d ago
Rape is seen as an extremely severe crime committed against the sacred honor of the victim and her family in patriarchal societies (IF the woman in question is seen as having honor). Alternatively rape is seen as an extremely severe crime committed against the sacred sexual autonomy of the victim in feminist societies (unless the perpetrator is the member of the ingroup). This is a rather big difference.
Botond173
3d ago
She seems to be a usual middle-class white female NPC who reads too much female-oriented porn. Maybe she assumed the two guys were about to have sex with each other and were merely inviting her to watch?
Botond173
3d ago
I'd argue that raping the local women in the conquered lands of a heinous defeated enemy is mostly seen as not objectionable in most patriarchal societies especially if we apply the feminist definition of rape to the matter at hand.
Botond173
3d ago
We should normalize people intentionally moving to regions with like-minded individuals.
This has actually been happening on such a scale and for such a long time that a popular book was released on its harmful effects back in 2008. I know this is somewhat off-topic but still.
Botond173
4d ago
If you honestly think that "all women" are in a sort of cartel where they determine the cost of entry for "family formation" or engage in "resource siphoning," I'm not sure we will ever see eye to eye. Cartels coordinate.
Slut-shaming is an obvious case of such coordination, isn't it? Not the slut-shaming done by angry incels online, which is a huge social crisis existing only on the minds of feminist journalists, but slut-shaming done by other women.
I imagine there are far more women who are turned off by the median man than there are men who are turned off by the median woman.
This has always been the case though.
Botond173
4d ago
I’m sorry but the female equivalent to male gambling, porn, anger, laziness and isolation is by no means merely ‘getting careers, delaying childbirth, or even having more sex’; it’s credit card debt, female anger (publicly directed at men and usually getting zero social pushback), (obsessive) female porn consumption (of trashy YA literature, dark romantasy or whatever and emotional porn marketed to women in general), social isolation (see the latter example), trashiness, frumpiness, OF ‘modeling’, camwhoring, pigging out, getting addicted to painkillers and alcohol etc.
What getting careers, delaying childbirth, or even having more sex represent on the part of women is simply them abandoning the social roles that the bygone Christian patriarchy expected of them – it does not necessarily entail personal degeneracy and dysfunction. Men abandoning the social roles that the bygone Christian patriarchy expected of them simply manifests as one no longer interacting with women from the perspective of responsibility and protection but from the perspective of pleasure and fun – in other words, delaying marriage and fatherhood, not marrying your first sweetheart etc. It's an overall situation where women no longer feel accountable to men and men no longer feel responsible for women.
Living in a coastal city and think the women are too feminist? Move. Having a hard time meeting religious people? Move. No luck on dating apps due to demographic asymmetries? Move. Dating and marriage, on the experiential level, have so little to do with the aggregate behaviors of the sexes, and everything to do with how one spends their time and the people they surround themselves with.
Do you think it's a reasonable request to be made to average single men or women to upend their entire lives just to supposedly increase their personal chances of finding a suitable partner?
I'm clueless. What was this about?
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