Botond173
14hr ago
I think it's fair to say that the AIDS crisis has long disappeared as a culture war issue.
Botond173
14hr ago
I should mention that we had a discussion on it about a year ago. Fun times.
https://www.themotte.org/post/1121/culture-war-roundup-for-the-week/240829?context=8#context
Botond173
19hr ago
I’d argue the overall situation is even worse because a) the leftist promoters of said social changes either denied that such negative consequences will take place or simple remained silent on this matter because they were aware that the majority will be either hostile or ambivalent towards these changes b) the long-term negative consequences that social conservatives predicted were in fact worse than this commie blogger makes it out to be and were still right in the end.
Botond173
2d ago
Their entire narrative on this is constructed to act as a Kafka trap. If you as a man try following their advice, you already lost.
Botond173
2d ago
So I’ve read the discussion. Maybe I just wasn’t paying enough attention but it seems to me that nobody mentioned the obvious elephant in the room. The old farts in leadership positions in either mentioned party obviously seem hesitant to recruit or select 40-somethings or 50-somethings as candidates for higher positions because they’re afraid of them turning out to be rabid ideologues of various stripes incapable and/or unable to make compromises, and/or weirdoes that are not presentable to normies and are prone to cause scandals, and if there are actually not such people themselves then they’re likely to be surrounded by such staffers and advisors etc.
Botond173
5d ago
I've heard about Italian examples though.
The assassination of Sergio Ramelli, which also includes a redemption arc (sort of)
Botond173
5d ago
It's undoubtedly more accurate to say that he was a victim of a self-radicalizing cultural milieu that normalizes leftist political executions.
Botond173
5d ago
The leftist pantheon has long included fake-ass martyrs.
the hero pioneer Pavlik Morozov
the Red Army peace envoys under white flags supposedly gunned down by fascist monsters in 1944
Botond173
5d ago
Are you specifically talking about the current American (Republican) Right?
Botond173
5d ago
Is your argument that violence-promoters on the Right are successfully rooted out by strictly enforcing laws against them, so if the same is done with the violence-promoters on the Left then the same result can be achieved?
Botond173
5d ago
I think it’s a lot more ‘cringy’ to make memes about a widow trying to carry on in public life after her husband gets murdered in plain view.
I'd also mention that in other similar situations the normie woke-adjacent line of thought is usually that people mourn in all sorts of different ways, you don't know what they're going through, it's petty and cruel to openly mock and criticize their attitude etc.
Botond173
5d ago
or modern culture of circus and spectacle just lacks the seriousness necessary to create martyrs?
What about George Floyd though?
Botond173
5d ago
Why do you think such a generational opportunity existed? It's not like a local version of Pinochet or Franco is in power.
Botond173
5d ago
I guess what she really meant to say is that they are conditioned to put out, which is largely true - innate sexual preferences do not change, after all, but social norms regarding sexuality do from time to time. I imagine her complaint isn't that normal guys prefer thicc women over fat or skinny women, it's that current society has normalized casual sex.
Botond173
5d ago
If you say teenage sexual relationships should be decriminalized, people will probably ask you why. What will you reply then?
Botond173
5d ago
Isn't this a phenomenon mostly concentrated in the suburban middle-class who mostly lead a sheltered existence? The same demographic that was known for its comical levels of prudery in the 19th Century? I'd guess most normal working-class fathers can grok that their teenaged daughters are sexual beings who want to and will get boned.
Botond173
5d ago
Thanks. I see that this is not the original source though, and neither is this probably the first or even the sole version. I distinctly remember coming across this comment somewhere on a redpill-themed subreddit; I forgot to save the URL though. I'm fairly sure it was actually the original. I remember it did include a cringey and somewhat hilarious explicit description of the daughter's tight vag being penetrated for the first time.
Botond173
5d ago
On an unrelated note, naming a statute after a tragedy involving suicide, murder and treachery is probably not a good PR move.
Botond173
5d ago
I'm no sociologist but I'm guessing that social norms regarding this are more or less shared throughout the West, in towns both big and small. That is, when two teenagers are in a sexual relationship but both are discrete about it and are otherwise not seen as anti-social delinquents, their social circle quietly tolerates it.
Botond173
5d ago
I'd argue it's widely seen as unwise for the simple reason that teenagers aren't assumed to reliably practice birth control.
Botond173
5d ago
So how is it feasible in your view to not sound like a pedo but at the same time describe the simple anthropological reality that girls sexually mature earlier than boys?
The feminist Kafka trap in this context means to me that an entire cluster of feminist narratives is preconstructed in a way to ensure that if a non-feminist man decides to engage in discussion with them there can be no possible outcome other than him being at fault or him being wrong or him being part of the problem.
Another concept similar in effect and purpose is the narrative of white fragility, for example.
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