Botond173
3hr ago
Hmmmm, I think your argument differs from @Botond173 in that so far they seem to imply a normie-women-demand-driven-policing of cultural output, while you are saying that ideologically-driven-supply-policing is going on.
I think it's basically both, as the changing preferences of those feminist-adjacent normie women are also ideologically driven.
Botond173
1d ago
I'm referring to the phenomenon I described i.e. unironic depictions of conventionally attractive, sexually alluring, non-girlboss female characters becoming taboo/unpalatable in the eyes of normie women. Women in committed relationships getting turned off by their men showing sexual interest in other women is a thing as old as time, so I doubt it explains the issue I mentioned which I think is relatively recent.
Botond173
1d ago
Dread game is the opposite of this actually - women dreading other women showing (elicited) sexual interest in their men.
Botond173
1d ago
But I doubt it explains the phenomenon I suspect is observable here, which I think is relatively recent.
Botond173
1d ago
I'd argue that recent Western/US male-oriented products (mainstream movies, TV series and video games that are marketed mostly to men) are made with fewer "conventionally attractive, sexually alluring, non-girlboss female characters" than before (before 2010 or so), as a reaction to the preferences of feminist-adjacent normie women, who find the presence of such content off-putting, repellent and cringe, and who want to police the cultural consumption of men (especially young single men) accordingly, similarly to the antics of the church ladies of the old days.
Botond173
1d ago
It should be added though that the two main heroic characters are decidedly anti-conservative in their temperament and actions.
Botond173
1d ago
I'd argue that if a female character has comically big boobs and/or a comically skimpy outfit then it's done for the comic effect.
Botond173
1d ago
I suppose that's a fair point, although I'd suggest treating the genre of reality TV, of which I scarcely know anything, as a wholly different matter. I'm assuming this sort of stuff is usually consumed by Boomer or GenX women and is, as you said, female-coded to begin with. On the other hand, my argument concerns younger women and products that are mainly male-oriented.
Botond173
2d ago
Why is there a groping scene in the show? For the male viewers to get their thrills.
I'm guessing the intent was to inject light humor into an otherwise heavy scene that depicts the reality of depression.
Botond173
2d ago
I was following with interest the recent discussion here on the degenerate nature of hardcore anime fandom and I find that there are aspects to this that nobody mentioned. In this comment I'd like to call attention to one of these. Namely:
I propose the argument that feminist ideology has reached a level of cultural influence in the West sometime around 2008-2012 where unironic* depictions of conventionally attractive, sexually alluring, non-girlboss female characters have become taboo in the eyes of normie women**.
*Unironic in the sense that it's by no means done for the purpose of ironically conveying some politicized message about the sad reality of the male gaze, societal sexism etc.
**That is, women that are either lipstick feminists or conform to the norms of the (surely present) lipstick feminist women in their social circle. In other words, the big majority of women, or at least of young urban women.
Since the Japanese anime industry does not abide by these cultural norms, the consequence of this is that anime as a whole is increasingly suspect in the eyes of normie/NPC women, which has at least two consequences of its own. One: the male partners and/or friends of these women, who are usually cucky and normie-oriented betas, evidently adopt the same view, which contribute to its spread. Two: this provides an incentive to notice, thematize and even embellish the off-putting manifestations of anime fandom.
I'd make two more related observations as potential food for thought from this very forum.
@urquan has made a somewhat similar point before: resolute (male) attempts to counter-signal against the taboo on sexual display in a workplace setting are intensely off-putting to normie women. (The difference here is between intensely off-putting and, well, merely off-putting.)
This comment by @WhiningCoil also caught my attention:
I managed to successfully drag my poor wife through Berserk, Last Exile, Akira and a handful of others. But the look she gives me in Evangelion when Shinji gets tangled up in a fresh out of the shower Rei and "accidentally" gropes her, it's hard to defend why that's in there. The sexposition in Game of Thrones was gratuitous (and kind of fun sometimes), but at least they were adults.
Considering that the Berserk franchise contains excessive amounts of brutal violence, horror and gore, and as does Game of Thrones, plus not only "sexposition" but also explicit sex, rape, incest etc., I find it telling that it was a groping scene (which, it should be mentioned, was unironically accidental) that finally crossed the line in her eyes.
And finally a general point: this entire phenomenon has no female counterpart. That is, we see no similar widespread disapproval of (more or less) goonerbait cultural material directed at women. In fact, it appears to me that there is a general push to normalize it.
Botond173
2d ago
But again, the broad consensus about anime is that it has become normalized, that is, it's being accepted to the mainstream and normies are consuming it to an increasing degree. The social phenomenon of evaporative cooling represents the complete opposite of this, namely when normie/moderate members leave a specific social circle.
Botond173
4d ago
I'd also add that the groping incident in question was indeed, unironically, accidental.
Botond173
4d ago
How would the social theory of evaporative cooling explain the phenomenon under discussion right here when there's broad consensus that anime consumption has been becoming more mainstream and acceptable in recent times?
Botond173
4d ago
I'm guessing OP was referring to the rather low population density of Wyoming and the isolated nature of local ranches.
Botond173
4d ago
It's funny that you mention Akira. I was once listening to a movie/film podcast episode about it and the guest participant was a woman teaching movie history and cinematography at a prominent university. The curriculum of one course of hers includes the history of Japanese animation and she said she also talks about Akira in detail as a part of this - even though she admitted she has never watched it until she was invited to the podcast. 'The most typical normie I can imagine', I told myself.
Botond173
4d ago
As far as I can tell, the anime industry has only played a negligible if non-existent role in the cultural normalization and mainstreaming of pornography in the US and the Western world in general.
Botond173
14d ago
What the Vice article reports on can best be described as another manifestation of the male simping/simpdom epidemic. It's primarily driven by OF and is not directly connected to anime at all.
Botond173
18d ago
As far as I know, the reason multiple leftist subreddits either got banned or decided to go private themselves was that the grossly partial mods absolutely refused to moderate commenters calling for mass murder, political assassinations, gulaging, doxxing, violence, wishing for the suicide of political enemies etc even after multiple warnings from above, and the central leadership of Reddit (whatever the heck they are called) eventually decided to act even though they are mostly leftists themselves because it was clear to anyone what a big liability the entire situation is.
Botond173
18d ago
Reagan of course was speaking against the idea that criminals shouldn't be held responsible for their actions because "society" but the logic works the other way around too, society should not be held responsible for the criminal.
I don't know what the context of this was but I'm assuming his political message was against the general leftist notion that violent criminals are mostly just misguided, demoralized, oppressed etc. members of the proletariat who first and foremost need to be rehabilitated and reeducated by an army of social workers, therapists, counselors etc., all paid for with large sums of tax money, instead of getting heartlessly imprisoned etc.
I’m guessing most Karens are Boomer or GenX affluent/suburban white women who got used to a relatively high-trust, homogeneous, ordered and prosperous society in their youth. In a low-trust, heterogeneous, increasingly disordered, stagnant and dysfunctional society, they often angrily lash out at their environment in their frustration by acting like Karens.
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