Botond173
1d ago
Botond173
2d ago
I maintain that the unspoken impetus to form death squads is there but I think two other factors are at play here which explain the current situation. One is that, unlike in the case of the 2015 migrant wave, the overwhelming majority in the EU countries, even in Central and Eastern Europe, is on board with viewing these people as factual refugees. Two: the effect of pro-Ukrainian propaganda is overwhelming, and easily impedes any possible public expression of displeasure with hordes of Ukrainian women crossing the borders.
Botond173
2d ago
I'm assuming most of those Filipinas are technically temporary migrant workers with permits etc., not immigrants. Regarding Ukraine, I have to say don't know. I've never seen data on this, but I'd surprised to hear that the majority of Ukrainian immigrants have ever been women. I'm also of the view here that a distinction between refugees and immigrants is to be made, but that's a bit different subject. But anyway, OP is probably correct that men in general would have mass female immigration if they could, but no society is going to condone that, because Briffault's law and gynonormativity don't allow it.
Botond173
2d ago
I'd point out though that mass female immigration is something that has never happened anywhere, and would never be permitted to happen.
Botond173
2d ago
Is it normal to lock the room in these circumstances though? If this was the case here I'm sure they locked the house, but the bedroom as well? I'm not well-versed in Vietnamese customs so I don't know. Either way, something's fishy about this story. I presume they made some verbal arrangements beforehand and she was planning to share a bedroom with other women. Is it normal for women to lock one of their own out of a bedroom for the night when there's some level of mutual trust there?
Botond173
3d ago
Well...put yourself in the shoes of a 24 year old, well-connected, presumably high-status Vietnamese-American woman on a banking internship. If you find yourself locked out of the room where you're expected to sleep, I imagine you'd be super annoyed. Wouldn't you complain? Make a scene, shout? Bang on the door? Call someone? Or at least enter another room where you at least know some of the people sleeping there?
Botond173
5d ago
It’s also fair to say that the Manosphere in general is a shadow of its former self. Red Pill theories, PUA and MRA used to be relatively much more relevant online between 2009 and 2015 or so. I’m guessing it was because this was a time of general political stagnation and apathy which provided an opportunity for such niche trends to gain popularity, but then the rise of the Alt-Right and the Trump phenomenon shook things up and siphoned off whatever level of interest they’d have otherwise enjoyed.
Botond173
5d ago
I’m guessing OP’s argument also implies that society does not have substantial memetic immunity against self-interested women, which seems to be the larger point here. Society operates under the unspoken assumption that women are generally weaker in every sense, so it’s understandable and warranted when they act in self-interested ways.
Botond173
5d ago
A religious patriarchy in power generally does not permit women to become spiritual leaders in any capacity; in that sense I think you’re correct.
Botond173
5d ago
There was a time when most of the popular MRAs on youtube were actually women, like karen straughan, who often had sons or at least positive relationships with their male relatives.
I don’t think it was ever any different. Male MRAs have only every gained credence within their own subculture; normally they are only given any mainstream attention in order to be presented as bogeymen worthy of contempt and ridicule. Female MRAs and anti-feminist talking heads in general thrive in comparison because culture war clashes between feminists and anti-feminists are basically mommy wars in the wider sense of the word – struggles between subgroups of women, which in turn provides further proof that the feminist capture of mainstream culture is complete. This has been the case for decades; just look at who the proponents and opponents of the Equal Rights Amendment were, for example. It’s inconceivable for any man or group of men to even vocally oppose feminist policies and get rewarded with any level of mainstream legitimacy.
Botond173
7d ago
A Vietnamese-American 24 year old came back to Vietnam for a banking internship and was raped by a Vietnamese from a rich and politically connected family.
"The group stayed up late and when she went to bed, Tam found herself locked out of the room where she expected to sleep."
This part of the story is a bit odd.
Botond173
10d ago
Doesn't this entire controversy seem to be rapidly developing into a perfect example of the Shiri Scissor / Scissor statement?
Botond173
11d ago
Just regarding Till specifically: if you were to go into the hood and grab the hand of someone’s girlfriend (not even wife), and then chase her to grab her waist, there’s a good chance you will be shot and killed.
I’d argue this applied to any (White) Italian/Polish/Irish etc. ethnic enclave/neighborhood in any major American city back then.
Botond173
11d ago
There is an entire Wiki article on him.
Botond173
12d ago
This is only tangentially related but I remember reading the view once that Jim Crow laws in the South practically applied to the middle and upper classes only; poor Blacks and Whites were typically rural and lived in the same areas instead of being segregated.
Botond173
13d ago
The women in the family are members of the ingroup, not of the outgroup or fargroup.
Botond173
14d ago
It's a case of pattern-matching. They watch online porn and the only women they see in it are infidel Westerners of course.
Botond173
14d ago
I’m not disputing that the intent of condescension and humiliation is there but I’d say that the main motivation behind the whole ‘teach men not to rape’ BS from the beginning was to construct a narrative counter to so-called victim-blaming.
Botond173
14d ago
These particular men are from cultures where a woman who does not conform to traditional norms and sleeps around has no honor, so raping her does not cause dishonor. In the West they see most local women behaving this way, so when they abuse them, this is the reason, not pornbrain. Online porn just reinforces their belief that Western women are generally even willing to sell their bodies in front of a camera.
Botond173
14d ago
It bears mentioning that lipstick feminists are grabbing her story to present it as a parable on this evil, heartless, misogynistic society abandoning victims of postpartum depression to their misery.
Botond173
14d ago
I doubt the issue here is society being too large and varied. After all, there was a time when executing certain people and putting other people into mental hospitals (against their will, that is) were part and parcel of living in a functioning society and the great majority didn’t even give it a thought. You’re definitely right about the drug rehab part though.
Can you please elaborate on these? I don't quite understand the references.
It does seem to me that no other group is even bringing up this bygone phenomenon anymore, and social conservatives do it to a much lesser extent than third/fourth-wave feminists whose attitude towards the Sexual Revolution and its consequences are mixed, to say the least, and are happy to dig up any example that counts in their worldview as the victimization of girls and young women by sleazebag older males in the name of sexual liberation and free love.
From a leftist point of view in general, on the other hand, the obvious problem with this issue is that the sexualization of both male and female children and adolescents that did take place after 1968 or so was only ever supported ideologically by liberal leftists, and it appears that their tribe eventually decid
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