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ThisIsSin
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14hr ago
(caveat: outside of bonobos, usually not sex to completion even for the top)
That's odd- what's going on there? Is the completion not actually the point, even in (and I'm assuming you're not exclusively talking about humans here) animals that don't actually take all that long to run the process to completion?
My apologies for not answering your call earlier. I'd be happy to talk to you about this.
Part of what made Old Reddit special was that everyone was a "real person"
As opposed to now, where nobody is real. When you ask a question in a reality-based forum or Discord chat, a community of 100,000 subscribers will post maybe 10 replies. 9 of those will be wrong or irrelevant. When I ask a question I get no substantive reply; when I post I get no substantive engagement. While I am a fan of doing things that don't scale, my efforts could be put to better use scaling now that the technology to do so has become available, and I'm at a time in my life where I simply need to accept that the early '10s are not coming back, so it's time to ruthlessly distill what was good about them down to their base essence and move on. If being able to ask a question and get decent responses in a reasonable timeframe is something that builds wisdom among those who do not know how to ask, then I am wasting my talents by not scaling.
But if human beings are indistinguishable from artificial intelligences (especially when you consider that a "human being" is, at least to some religions, this software), how best to harness those intelligences to expose intuition that other AIs don't have?
Communities.win, for example, is anchored by The_Donald, which still has thousands of active users, and its set of communities amounts to a couple of fairly inactive replacements for other subreddits that got banned.
I think the reason for that is that the Internet was actually completely dead by late 2016. I think the warning that the Internet was over occurred when 4chan failed to successfully splinter because of moot's mishandling of Gamergate.
This is because everything that could be written down was, and once that happened, people stopped logging in (but never bothered to unsubscribe) to answer questions. Google was still sophisticated enough to index most of this. After that, Twitter and Facebook (as platforms that were designed from the beginning for tripfagging) ate what little was left of the public square.
You can see this in StackOverflow too, where the site remained strong until AI got good at which point it deserted completely, because it is faster and more efficient (and far less rudely nitpicky) at answering the average coding question than the collective of human beings. And I think this is increasingly happening to other sites that discuss reality as well- why log into the forum if you can just ask the AI, searcher of all forum posts ever written? Just as the personal firearm is the Great Equalizer, AI is the Great Federalizer.
An evolution of /r9k/ is probably instructive as to what the solution should be: if what you're about to type is detected by the robot to be a duplicate of a discussion already happening, or a duplicate of something in the past X days, then you are unable to post that thing, which limits you to posts that at least have a novel theory of mind behind them. It should also be able to cross-reference previous posts that one makes that talked about the same thing to build a reference network for users- I, and the other users who I took that idea from, already practice a form of this. It's not enough to just see sources; you need to be able to see where the AI got its context from so you can check its work.
Ideally, one would be able to not just tag comments, but the thought process behind them, so that if they need to be indexed or referenced later the metadata behind why they were written (and why they were written that way) still exists. This is also (to a point) an anti-AI feature, since thought processes are, if not hidden by AI platforms, long enough that a user needs to actually read them to know them. Obviously this is something present in humans (if there was no thought process behind the comment, then it is meaningless and should be treated accordingly- if it's a meme, it goes in the meme hole, because the reason it was posted was consensus-building; and consensus-building, while a perfectly valid reason for a comment to exist, is also completely useless if you're interested in the nuts and bolts understanding of things).
Federation is the only thing that really works here
I disagree. Federation [in the sense that you mean it] is already accomplished at the web browser (or the app store) layer. If you want an instance, you type 'git clone' followed by the repository containing the code and stand it up yourself (or rather, get your AI to do that), then you stick a domain name on there and you're done.
The only thing "federation" enables in this context is bullying. If the forum still functions when all posters are Anonymous, you didn't need the usernames (this is the final solution to 'blocking', by the way- blacklists are for tripfags). Conquest's Second Law clearly states that any forum that is insufficiently focused on reality inevitably devolves into tripfagging, and federation dramatically accelerates this process.
AI moderation tools (and the uncensored models, if you're running a forum that is sufficiently spicy) are now good enough to deal with the spam, untrusted user, and the clinically retarded (they're the same picture).
ThisIsSin
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2d ago
who are unsuitable for normal white collar office work or entrepreneurship due to personal unreliability, unintelligence, temperament
I thought that was just called "sales".
ThisIsSin
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2d ago
Incels don't want to pay for sex because the explicitness of paying for the sex inherently kills the fantasy.
I don't want to pay for sex because I'm only willing to risk an HSV-1/2 infection for the benefit of someone I actually care about.
We are (probably) not the same.
ThisIsSin
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2d ago
Are you disputing my hypothesis?
I'm disputing the assertion it's a productive framing and asserting the hypothesis is inherently smuggling an isolated demand for rigor.
(I asked how it worked, you said "magic", so I interpreted the "porn means desensitization" copypasta was deployed in its standard "man bad" form and moved to a position questioning why "man bad" is a relevant or productive way to think about the question.)
and report a reduction in the amount of visual stimulation they need.
Experimentally, no, I don't agree that's common. The physical and mental effects of seeing something I'm attracted to function normally.
ThisIsSin
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2d ago
I doubt David Beckham crosses anyone's mind when they think of a typical john.
David Beckham has his pick of Janes, women who [functionally] have to pay to have sex with him.
(Neil Gaiman is an example of this that makes more intuitive sense to men, since "more degrading sex acts are more damaging to the woman" [as in, they are a cost that must be paid] is something they constantly claim.)
ThisIsSin
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2d ago
The risk is that the combination of the need for variety combined with desensitization will lead you towards things which make
are more and more taboothe target of your sexuality angrier and angrier
Yeah, that's what I said. I don't think it's a valid/fair thing for a sexuality's target to be angry about.
A lot of people quit pornography and report that their sensitivity increases with time.
Death grips degrade sensitivity and the damage is self-reinforcing- the less sensitivity, the harder one tends to grab; toys are effective at mitigating this but are inconvenient and require cleanup (which is further contraindicated if you're abusing the fact the process serves as an exceptionally effective sleep aid).
This is more a physical thing than anything else though.
I can see how this could become a big problem for a lot of people.
How so? There's plenty of content out there, enough to arguably last more than a lifetime. If you want to model it as a drug, fine- most people drink, few become alcoholics, but those alcoholics can destroy themselves pretty dramatically. Sex is more of a prodrug, but the same thing applies.
But that's more of an addiction problem and less of a content problem (which is why GLP-1 agonists suggest effectiveness on those who are addicted to certain kinds of foods; it's a chemical castration, in a way).
I do (by extrapolation) understand the claim that "searching for variety ultimately means you end up jacking it to sexual domination of burning toddlers because nothing else will do", but the people/submissives who are doing that are primarily complaining because it is sexual domination, not because it involves burning toddlers [proof by revealed preference: the average submissive prefers policies that make this more likely, women vote for an increase in/protect sex criminals more than men do- and as such their claims of "caring about harm" range from simply unreliable to outright fabrication].
Burning toddlers are not really that interesting as sexual targets other than 'finally, something taboo again', so the people who prefer freedom-of-thought say 'Rule 34 pre-empts Rule 35; they'll get bored, it's only interesting to the degree that submissives are mad about it, getting off on domination is already about the social context'.
And yes, this "variety problem" applies to all sexualities [complaints about dominants are simply the loudest], and argued against the way you'd expect from the target. For instance, the kind of male teenager who reports being seduced by their female teacher [and those men who take that seriously] only do this when they feel they didn't earn/feel comfortable accepting that submission at their understanding of their own dominant sexuality at the time [and in instances where this seduction is not reported but discovered anyway, it is generally the dominant-sexuality parent, almost always the father, making the complaint "for his own good"]. [YouTube's continual recommendation of bodycam footage appears to pay dividends.]
I have no idea what happens in the brain, but there really are a lot of anecdotal reports out there of desensitization.
I think this is called "aging". It's happened to me as well over time- it's just that it requires more effort to blind your mind to stimuli you don't like.
I'd actually argue this explains most of the quest for more specific stimuli in the first place, since at that point you don't have to mentally block out the parts you don't like and there are more of the parts you like per second.
By contrast, the you of yesterday had better nerves/sensitivity, softer skin, improved circulation, and a higher sex drive, and those things are already doing a lot to naturally blind your mind to things you didn't like. As you lose those things, you have to actually focus, which is also why "gooning" is at its core a meditative practice to regain that state of blindness (and arguably more popular among those who have lost it, and just like age-related pattern baldness, will occur to some as early as their late teens).
ThisIsSin
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2d ago
I continually hear claims of this but what's the actual mechanism of action?
Far as I'm aware this is just getting bolder/more honest about what one actually always liked rather than the feminist canard of "oh no how horrible, look at these domination scenes, man bad woman good".
At the end of the day, superstimulus gonna superstimulus.
If you're getting off on domination, you'll look at stuff that's more degrading than usual. This isn't that weird provided you're ignoring the complaints of those who share the submissive's gender.
If you're getting off on submission, you'll disappear into the Omegaverse. This isn't that weird provided you're ignoring the complaints of those who share the dominant's gender.
If you're getting off on inflation, DeviantArt has been there for like 20 years. This isn't that weird provided you're ignoring the complaints of those whose weight in pounds begins with the number 1.
If you're getting off on co-operation, there's always hentai (and, like, the actually good doujins). This isn't that weird provided you're ignoring the complaints of women and men who are incapable of anything resembling a healthy relationship, but it's hard to unpack at times because responses to criticism now needs to be gendered.
And so on and so forth.
ThisIsSin
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2d ago
You should consider how productive it is to argue with / try to own something that is not sentient in any way.
Yeah, but people argue with the average human being all the time. It's a multi-billion dollar industry.
At least I can appreciate self-gratification as a step up, however minor, from doing that.
ThisIsSin
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3d ago
But not to shit on their faces, surely?
If South Park's assertion of German porn having a stereotype has any validity to it...
ThisIsSin
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3d ago
And perhaps more saliently, if they banned depictions of cousin marriage they'd have to redact the entire royal family tree.
ThisIsSin
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3d ago
I don't think you'd be paying any mind to it if the language was the exact same but wasn't a hobby horse of autistic trans people.
Autistic trans people cause Rust, which is why the meme is "pleading to the borrow checker".
It's a more modern Ada, with all that that implies. I think it's the wrong language for something that should be used generally, other than using AI to transpose code you've already written into a language where speed seems to have been more of a priority (which is probably why the secondary meme is "pushing it everywhere, including places it doesn't belong", which is also emblematic of its creating demographic).
we're going to call programming languages ideologically captured based on whether they mandate a semicolon at the end of a line or not?
Languages that use ':=' (the penis operator) for variable assignment tends to be less useful for actual programming than those that just use =. This is because those languages were designed by human beings for actual work, whereas the ones that prefer := Do not put any effort into understanding how human beings write code.
ThisIsSin
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3d ago
ThisIsSin
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3d ago
And indeed one of the videos features the arrest of a teenage boy.
Yes, it's intended to be sexual humiliation for failing to play the market in the way old men approve of. Did you learn nothing from Adolescence (and the public's response thereto)?
It is directionally harmful to themselves, whoever is depicted in the material, and anybody exposed to it.
Point out specifically, on this doll, where the dangerous XXX-rays emanating from the material touched you.
There are serious privacy and moral issues with these techniques
Why's that? Society has investigated its own base instincts and found no evidence of wrongdoing. There's only really one way to hold them to account, and it's coup-complete.
ThisIsSin
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3d ago
No amount of business transactions are going to solve that.
Ironic that a business transaction is the best way to model their actions.
The market clearing price is too high for those men to be {willing, able} to afford a woman of the same station. That's it. That's all it is.
Risk aversion is defensible if there is no directly observable benefit to taking that risk. Both that and safetyism (to name the symmetric female impulse) are parasitic at their core, but they both exist for a reason. Human instinct is often maladaptive.
{Pornography, prostitution, masturbation} are basically an AI simulation of this, which is why they're rejected in the same family of 'goonslop' (and why old men would want them restricted- especially those that showcase any "cheating" of that market dynamics- as a way to lock young men out of any other alternatives and encourage them to be appealing to women).
Yet these foolish old men, who have no other intelligence outside of instinct, don't understand that this won't fix the fact there are no women who are willing or able to afford the men either. Selfish old women approve of this posture, naturally.
So with respect to the original prompt of "why are F/m, 'help me step-bro', etc. being banned?", this is the answer to that question. Social conservatives were always feminist. One notes that the cultural Enemy of the Boomers was the last cultural movement that made young men great (and actively encouraged them to be with women) and I don't believe that to be a coincidence.
ThisIsSin
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3d ago
The evidence available to me (including what the site claims) suggests that to the majority of men, they appear to be women, and very attractive women at that.
But I assess that whatever they are, it's hammering the 'uncanny valley' instinct incredibly hard (and it can stay as far away from me as possible). The ones with really squared-off/aggressive faces (and square eyebrows) legitimately look like they're trans, and 'if a hominid is bearing its teeth, it's warning you it's about to attack' also applies.
ThisIsSin
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3d ago
I found this exercise confusing, discomforting, and... weirdly insulting, to a point. I ran out of steam a bit past 75 iterations (1.5/12 faces on average, relatively high uniqueness). I began to suspect it was all AI 20 iterations in and was somewhat disappointed to discover on the results screen that judgment was correct.
There were a strangely large number of pictures, particularly white women, that were very obviously men in wigs. I ended up skipping enough full iterations of them that it decided to ask me if I wanted to switch to men (lol wtf?); yet, if I was matching with said men in wigs, it would have never asked me that question.
It did manage to assess my type somewhat correctly (turns out I prefer cute women, but I already knew that), though I believe it overfit some of the categories somewhat due to lack of data- there would be ones I'd pick simply to avoid the 'you don't like crossdressing men or women who are very obviously in their sixties? what are you, gay?' question again, which would be highlighted in the output to a much greater degree than they arguably should be.
Humorously, the system thinks I rate white women worse than any other group despite not ever having selected any of those in the other groups.
ThisIsSin
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3d ago
There really isn't a easy explanation. Proper understanding on this specific topic is best gathered through digital means.
ThisIsSin
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3d ago
In the Netherlands, to get a weapons permit you need a good reason, which will be hunting or sport. [Also, other stuff.]
Yes, the other countries I mentioned all have similar licensing laws (and provisions to do those things), and yes, I'd expect Western Europe to be far more despotic in this regard since the State capacity is generally higher.
Yet I will also point out that Europe tends to have more mistake theory in its lawmaking than the US does, which means that Anglosphere countries adopt conflict theory gun laws in place of ones that were ostensibly based on mistake theory regional compromises. Some of that is caused by gynosupremacy, but not all of it.
ThisIsSin
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4d ago
Japan also managed to find a fun way to cripple itself via demographics
I don't think they've crippled themselves- judging by how wasteful their education system is, they're still overpopulated, and the more automation advances the worse that problem gets. They're many years ahead of the curve on the automation-induced wind-down.
At least it's not South Korea, who missed the economic boom [back when automation was unsophisticated enough to create a labor shortage- now it creates a surplus] and are as a result suffering from an overpopulation problem that's drastically worse.
Guns haven't been banned yet, unlike in most of Europe.
The closer to the [American] Anglosphere you are, the worse the gun laws get.
This is because the illiberal/progressive faction in those countries takes their marching orders wholesale from American media and turn them loose on countries that have far less rule of law (NZ -> AUS -> UK -> CAN from least to most restrictive, if you were curious. For the UK, Northern Ireland is a notable exception; I don't think Oranges would tolerate London demanding them disarm.)
Continental Europe is generally more liberal than Anglo countries are; the most liberal countries in Europe were part of the Soviet Union (and arguably because they were part of the Soviet Union).
ThisIsSin
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5d ago
the US and Canada do not possess any "settler movement" of white kids moving onto Indian Reservations to steal their houses
Sure they do- the 'white kids' are the 'commie protestors', and the Indians are 'everyone who lives outside of the areas with the greatest concentration of commie protestors'.
They even have these nice residential schools they'll send your kid to if you fail to adopt their religion (the trans-substantiation of men in dresses) and pass laws that just let them seize property with the Indians as an excuse. (The land seizures are starting to result in 'commie protestor' governments losing their power, but not quite at the level it probably should be.)
The Indians are just an excuse.
ThisIsSin
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5d ago
Yeah- it's honestly really strange to notice that sure, I could buy a can of decent soup for 3 bucks... or I could buy hot dogs and buns instead, which are 4 bucks a meal assuming you eat two at a time (and commit to eating them for 3 days).
But then, that's just the general case of "if you couldn't afford the more expensive goods, you can't afford the ones that used to be cheap either". Yes, the quality is technically better, but I'm really not sure what I gain by noticing that given that everything's relatively tasteless to me anyway. (Which is part of the reason I bought the cheaper stuff in the first place.)
Then again, 'penny-wise, pound-foolish' means I don't really pay much attention to it because it will never be worth my while to do so. Food doesn't actually take up that much of the budget and, had I a family to cook for, the cost amortized over multiple diners is still better than an industrial kitchen, with the exception of fried chicken, sushi, or Chinese food.
Sure, here you go.
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