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Culture War Roundup for the week of October 3, 2022

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Jews wield blacks, feminism, and progressivism as tools against White power as part of an age-old tribal enmity and self-preservation instinct. All efforts at empowering women, promoting minorities, and generally furthering any progressive goal is accurately understood as an act of hostility toward Whites.

I am not necessarily advocating this view. I am explaining for Roco.

Oh absolutely. Many white people display the same level of victimisation complexes they accuse minorities of harbouring. What these people need to realise is that we minorities don't give a damn about how well or badly white people are doing or have any desire to put them down, we have enough problems of our own to fix to worry about.

We just want to do well for ourselves and promote policies that do that, any harm or benefit to white people is coincidental; no different to how when the gardener mows the lawn, dozens of insects get their lives upended, but the gardener didn't do this to hurt the insects or even think about them at all when mowing, he just wanted an aesthetic result that looks pleasing from the house window.

We just want to do well for ourselves and promote policies that do that, any harm or benefit to white people is coincidental;

So what? What does it matter to me, as a White man, if your negative impact on my life is intentional or an accident? Either way I'm going to support the White boot on your face forever until you leave.

And with outright hostilities like that you can't be surprised when we see you as an obstacle towards our own success and want to see you and yours removed from any and all positions of power and influence. It's a shame really because white people on average are generally more competent than most other ethic groups and having competent people running things is good for society as a whole, it's your culture that's screwed up to the point of no return.

Do you think outsiders are treated better in your civilization? It seems to gradually oppress and murder its way to a 99% majority, and when it has reached the total cohesion so dear to FC, the full glory of muhammad’s vision comes into view: obscurantism, poverty , weakness, always teetering on the brink of civil and uncivil wars.

You’re a smart guy, part of the elite. Are you not ashamed of what your class and vision has produced for your civilization?

Oh, it's extremely shameful, the problems with our society are really really bad. However they are by and large due to incompetence rather than the culture itself being poor. Not to say our culture doesn't have problems, it definitely does, but they are easier to fix than the bastardised mutant of liberalism that rules the roost in the West right now (I'm talking about the elite culture, not the prole culture, that thing is no better than modern western "liberalism").

Again, you can blame us for not domesticating our lower classes properly like they've done so in the west (this is something I actually admire the west for, you've domesticated the common man really well) and that really is our failure but modern western elite culture now has far worse problems.

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