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I'm mostly agnostic on HBD (though I lean pro) precisely because I don't believe the world would look all that differently if it went one way or another. My is that the majority of issues in poor minority groups are caused by culture: a lack of respect for education, marriage, rule of law, and unselfish cooperation with each other, and that these cultural elements are self-perpetuating and economically crippling. While innate intelligence does play some role in influencing whether a person will abandon or change these cultural elements, it's a minor role. People with a genetic predisposition for high IQ but a bad culture frequently end up in bad outcomes because they fail to learn or care about learning and never rise to their true potential. Similarly, low IQ people with a good culture often become productive workers and good people and beneficial to their community because they work hard and care about people. IQ plays some role, but culture plays a much larger role.
Society is filled with selfish intelligent people and kind unintelligent people of all races. But they tend to come in clusters, as culture perpetuates these traits separately from genetics (though still tending to run in families), so you see disproportionate amounts of selfishness and other negative cultural traits among certain races. Heritabile =/= Genetic, and the distinction is important because culture can change, while genes can't.
I don't think jews have any more respect for education, marriage, rule of law, or unselfish cooperation (in fact, the stereotype, although not that accurate, is that they're selfish), yet they are nobel prize winners or accomplished mathematicians at 10x the rate of whites or asians.
Really? Because the stereotypes I'm familiar with involve Jewish mothers hounding their kids to excel and overachieve and never being satisfied with mediocre or average results (maybe I'm mixing this one up with Asian stereotypes, but I think it's true here to a lesser extent). Also, intellectual arguments and thought experiments about Jewish law, and respect for cleverness. And rather than being purely selfish, the stereotype I usually hear is that Jews are selfish in dealings with gentiles, but friendly with other Jews, preferentially hiring each other due to a sense of shared culture and nepotism. Which is probably even more beneficial for a subculture with enough power than general unselfishness would be. I don't know how truthful these stereotypes are, but to the extent they are true I would predict that they would lead to above average success.
I probably should've said elite whites and asians.
Is this more true for jews than asians, though? Because jews are much more overrepresented than asians in nobel prizes in comparison to global population.
Second-generation atheist jews are still very intelligent, despite no jewish law. "Respect for cleverness" seems wishywashy.
Friendlier, yeah, but not unselfish, the 'stereotypical jew' still screws over other stereotypical jews.
Like, none of what you claimed makes any sense in explaining '30% of technical nobel prizes despite 2% of us population / .2% of global population'.
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