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A new Jonathan Chait piece: How to Make a Semi-Fascist Party.

The piece details his experience at the National Conservatism Conference where a bunch of conservatives (politicians, intellectuals, etc.) get together and try to articulate a vision of conservatism's future.

Some parts are unsurprising. Ron DeSantis is hailed for supposedly bringing Disney in-line, and there's a unified theme as to what the real threat to America is. Three guesses and the first two don't count.

Almost every speaker repeated a version of the following: The “woke” revolution has captured the commanding heights of American education, culture, and even large businesses, from which positions it is spreading and enforcing a noxious left-wing ideology. This poses an existential threat to conservatism, culturally and politically. Conservatives must therefore fight back by using state power to crush their enemies on the left — a notable break for a movement that, in the pre-Trump days, had at least pretended to stand against “big government.”

Chait points to rhetoric which, on the surface, suggests the right may drop its support for economically conservative policies, but he argues that it's tailored for dealing with the specific things these conservatives don't like, as opposed to some general/coherent economic policy or policies.

The National Conservatives’ statement of principles is vague on economics, denouncing socialism while attacking “transnational corporations” for “showing little loyalty to any nation,” damaging “public life by censoring political speech, flooding the country with dangerous and addictive substances and pornography, and promoting obsessive, destructive personal habits.” This is a moral critique, confined to a trivial percentage of businesses — very few of which, after all, are engaged in content moderation or the sale of drugs or pornography — and implies very little change to the traditional Republican pro-business stance.

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National Conservatives consider corporations to be “woke” enemies, or at least potential enemies, and see the power of the state as a lever to compel them to endorse conservative positions or at least refrain from endorsing liberal ones. They propose to pressure tech companies like Twitter and Google to drop content-moderation policies like bans on disinformation or hate speech. They wish to pressure corporations to not take positions in defense of voting rights or against forms of social discrimination. And they view investment funds using environmental, social-welfare, and good-governance criteria as a mortal threat. On all these issues, the National Conservative position is essentially identical to The Wall Street Journal’s editorial line.

Of note is the new fusing of an old talking point with a new one. Chait writes the following of the "Securing the Integrity of American Elections" panel.

The overarching theme of the panel was that Democrats routinely engage in widespread voter fraud and that Republicans have failed to gain power because they have shied away from the hard work of rooting out this allegedly endemic cheating. “You’re not gonna get anybody elected unless you’ve got an honest election system in which they’ve got the ability to get elected,” said Spakovsky. “There’s obviously going to be fraud; we know there will be fraud,” said Jessica Anderson, a former Trump budget staffer now working at Heritage.

None of the panelists are willing to affirm if they think Biden won the election fairly, which Chait takes as proof that their private views will not get in the way of them trying to use the energy the 2020 election provides.

Then there's what amounts to a very foolish, but understandable strategy.

Christina Pushaw, whose official title is director of rapid response for the governor but whose role could be more accurately described as minister of propaganda, held forth at a panel on marginalizing independent media. The challenge, she explained ruefully, is that many older Americans, such as her parents, still give some credence to old-line outfits like the New York Times. This reputation, she believes, comes from the perception that they have access to both parties, so the correct response by Republicans is to freeze out the mainstream media. “If they have no access to any Republican elected officials, they are seen for what they are,” she proposed. Pushaw stressed that Republicans should not even concede that reporters are journalists at all. She instructed the audience to call them “activists.”

Pushaw told the audience that Orbán’s government gave her inspiration for this tactic. “The New Yorker wrote to Orbán and asked for comment on their hit piece, and they received a response that was just perfect. It said, ‘We are not going to participate in the validation process for liberal propaganda,’ ” she recounted, “and I don’t think we need to participate in that validation process either.” Instead, she noted, DeSantis gives access to conservative sites, which then get quotes and scooplets they can use to build their audience.

While Chait argues that, as bad as left-wing news might be, right wing news doesn't even try to be objective, I'll make a different critique.

Suppose Pushaw's point are her earnest belief. She succeeds and we get conservative news sites that get exclusive access to conservatives. What happens?

Answer: Nothing changes.

All that will occur is that left-wing sites like the NYT or whoever else will report whatever those other sites say and add a note "Person X refused to comment."

Chait argues that Pushaw wants to eliminate the idea of a journalist altogether - there will instead be "left journalists" and "right journalists". This is idiotic, because there are going to be people who synthesize the materials and present themselves as objective journalists. Both sides would do it and nothing changes. CNN will tell you what DeSantis told his favored journalist and continue on without pause.

This isn't even something like "we're going to create right-journalists who will directly contest every claim the left makes, thereby nominally preventing anyone from knowing truth", it's quite literally "go here to find our words". Scott Alexander doesn't stop existing just because the NYT can't directly interview DeSantis.

That previous idea, however, comes from Hungary and Victor Orban, who were positively featured at the convention. There was a lot of praise for Orban as someone who had used state power to fight fake news.

At one panel, The Federalist’s Sean Davis asked Balázs Orbán, an adviser (no relation) to Viktor Orbán, how his government is preventing the fake-news media from poisoning the minds of the youth. “Just as is done in Florida,” Orbán replied, explaining that the Hungarian regime used state power to prevent the left from indoctrinating the country in its ideology.

Chait concludes his piece by noting that as time went on, he was in an increasing hostile environment. People insulted him to his face and tweeted out that he looked like a goblin. Amber Athey certainly suggests so.

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Okay, so Athey went beyond just an accusation of being a goblin and claimed the following was evidence.

The linked complaint is...hard to judge. DeSantis most definitely said what he did, so we're left to judge if Athey is referring to the actual words spoken or Chait's claim that the governor is courting anti-vaxxers.

Edit: it's not unclear, Athey is clear that she objects to Chait's view of what DeSantis is doing.

Certainly, there is a great deal of frustration on the vaccine-skeptic side (or whatever you wish to call people who distrusted the Covid vaccine(s) but not necessarily others for whatever reason) in how anti-vaxxer changed from "deny the science altogether" to "question any part of any vaccine". An important question is if Chait is intentionally using the new definition while trying to convince people DeSantis falls under the old one.

That said, there is a logic in pointing out that political groups often given a guide to the various enemies they have on who to collaborate with. Unless the skeptical-about-covid-vaccine-but-not-all crowd is virulently against the old definition anti-vaxxers, a strategic coalition can be formed and the more palatable rhetoric will probably draw in the ones who are more shunned. I cannot be the only one to have noticed this.

I'm willing to buy that DeSantis is more concerned about "woke elites" than he is about actually staking out a position on the covid vaccine, but I don't know enough about him to say whether it's deliberate or not.

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Woke is driven by exactly 2 things:

  1. Federal Antidiscrimination law making it a crime, subject to forfeit of hundreds of millions, for any corporation, educational institute, government department, digital platform, or small business to be anti-woke.

  2. Payment processors and financial institutions being legally allowed and encouraged to withdraw services to the politically disfavored despite not being private free-market companies but effective monopolies and oligopolies created by the regulatory state.

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We know what a true free market produces: It produces the 19th century and the full spectrum of partisan outlets, and robber barons free to not only speak but enact their social vision within their businesses.

Woke is entirely a fucntion of the regulatory state claiming the power to control individual interactions, ideological statements, and financial transactions by private enterpirses.

Unless you are actually willing to say "NO the state should not get to control companies speech even if it is racist" or "No banking monopolies should not be able to refuse any customer until they have been convicted of a crime"... then you fully support the organs of woke power, you just think it should confine itself to eating people ever so far to the right of you.

a true free market

the 19th century

laughs continually until asphyxiation This is why I have grown to dislike sweeping conclusions about the present drawn from superficial readings of history; the history being used to justify the conclusion is usually incredibly wrong. The 19th century business environment was anything but free - the market was massively distorted by, e.g., massively corrupt government dealings in land, right-of-ways, and transportation contracting. Further, there was cartelization and collusive rate-setting in the various transportation sectors, as well as a vast range of financial shenanigans including insider- and self-dealing, organized manipulation of prices and market-cornering, etc. And don't forget the massive debates over monetary policy, free silver/bimetallism, etc.

Further, it strikes me as unusual that you would be on the side of Mark Hanna et. al. against the Grangers and prairie populists. I would have thought that those beleaguered yeomen would have been your historical forebears, given some of the other positions I've seen you take.

Insider trading is part of a free market, as is market cornering, price manipulation etc. It is only state intervention that can make these schemes stable. If the milk cartels in Canada had been only private unenforceable agreements they would have collapsed decades ago.

As for corrupt government land dealings, etc. ... why yes the 5-10 areas of economics the state already touched back then were entirely corrupt... who would have thought. Thank god now the state infects every aspect of the economy and none of it is... oh wait.

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In the 19th century people like Edison and the Wright brothers could invent in their garages and call their workers racial or sexual slurs if they wanted... now all research is regulated, all corporate speech, and all private speech by anyone employed is strictly regulated by the state with 100 million dollar settlements if an employer is insufficiently hawkish about firing employees for speech infractions, and there is not a single sector of the economy that is remotely free and we are slaves.

I think the legal standards matter to some extent, but I'd caution against seeing it as the whole or the core of the problem. There are countless other legal standards, sometimes with stricter theoretical penalties, which nonetheless might as well be phantoms with how poorly they're obeyed (affirmative action bans, anti-political-discrimination laws, , all for specifically Californian rules that stop counting when the target is right).

THe thing is as soon as you have real protections of free speech woke is outcompeted.

What's the law of the internet: Every unmoderated forum inevitably become right wing?

Genuinely free communication norms without backdoor payment processors removal or state pressured "inclusion" inevitably becomes the 2000s era internet.

The institutional punishments are what drives woke... its not an ideology that can exist without institutional punishment... the current brand of it started on campus in the 2010s because the federal government preassured universities to change their enforcement of sexual harassment codes.

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