Let's say 7 million died from COVID, which is about what the Worldometer figure is at. If there was even a 10% chance that this research caused the lab leak, then that's about 700,000 deaths! Plus a considerable amount of inconvenience, expense, rage and so on.
COVID was extremely bad, like dropping multiple high-yield nuclear bombs on major cities. There might be some unclear benefits from risky activities like flying armed nuclear bombers over major cities and hoping there's no accident. I could imagine that's convenient for the flight crew, they can use nearby airport infrastructure which is vaguely realistic if you want to disperse your nuclear forces and increase survivability...
But these benefits don't outweigh the gigantic costs and consequences! Unclear benefits don't cut it. We shouldn't be doing GoF work at all, let alone in the slapdash, devil-may-care way we've been doing it. You wouldn't leave nuclear bombs lying around at major airports without a very good reason.
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Let's say 7 million died from COVID, which is about what the Worldometer figure is at. If there was even a 10% chance that this research caused the lab leak, then that's about 700,000 deaths! Plus a considerable amount of inconvenience, expense, rage and so on.
COVID was extremely bad, like dropping multiple high-yield nuclear bombs on major cities. There might be some unclear benefits from risky activities like flying armed nuclear bombers over major cities and hoping there's no accident. I could imagine that's convenient for the flight crew, they can use nearby airport infrastructure which is vaguely realistic if you want to disperse your nuclear forces and increase survivability...
But these benefits don't outweigh the gigantic costs and consequences! Unclear benefits don't cut it. We shouldn't be doing GoF work at all, let alone in the slapdash, devil-may-care way we've been doing it. You wouldn't leave nuclear bombs lying around at major airports without a very good reason.
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