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Culture War Roundup for the week of October 24, 2022

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But Person A responding to Person B’s narrow claims is only grounds for fruitful discussion if C and D are allowed to chime with alternative or more refined arguments. Otherwise we’re all just passive spectators to the framing of A’s arguments in regards to B’s initial argument. Although maybe there’s a solution in allowing OP’s to specify required assumptions for participation in their post, and then C and D can make new posts instead of commenting underneath.

But Person A responding to Person B’s narrow claims is only grounds for fruitful discussion if C and D are allowed to chime with alternative or more refined arguments.

They can, though. ymeskhout is not your mom, and neither am I; you can post any claims you like about J6 or anything else. But there is, in fact, something approximating the dreaded "distributed motte and bailey", and it really does burn community goodwill for little good effect. The proper response to this isn't rules and mod action, it's self-policing by the community. Hence the above.

People should engage with evidence. We should draw conclusions and update priors in a reasonable fashion. We should certainly extend enough charity to not conclude that if someone on the other side wins an argument, it's because they cheated. I don't actually think that adding additional claims underneath a discussion is the problem. The problem is when people don't acknowledge that prior claims were refuted.

Suppose I argue that J6 has been unfair for reason A, and you argue that J6 is unfair for reason B. If I get disproven, it's easy for you to carry on with your argument... but if you're interested in finding errors, you should be interested in my errors as well. You should give at least a little thought not only to why J6 is wrong, but about why I'm wrong about why J6 is wrong. Doing this helps keep you honest, helps avoid a situation where your rigor is isolated.