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naraburns  nihil supernum  2yr ago (text post)   Edited 2yr ago   19858 thread views

USA Election Day 2022 Megathread

Tuesday November 8, 2022 is Election Day in the United States of America. In addition to Congressional "midterms" at the federal level, many state governors and other more local offices are up for grabs. Given how things shook out over Election Day 2020, things could get a little crazy.

...or, perhaps, not! But here's the Megathread for if they do. Talk about your local concerns, your national predictions, your suspicions re: election fraud and interference, how you plan to vote, anything election related is welcome here. Culture War thread rules apply, with the addition of Small-Scale Questions and election-related "Bare Links" allowed in this thread only (unfortunately, there will not be a subthread repository due to current technical limitations).

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So I feel comfortable continuing to call groomers "groomers," Nazis "Nazis," and vassals "vassals,"

Just because I missed this earlier. The people you call groomers would not call themselves that, the people the left call Nazis would generally not call themselves that etc.

If I definitively called Trump a Nazi in passing I would expect to be moderated HERE, because Trump does not regard himself as a Nazi. I could if I laid out supporting evidence and argument for why Trump is a Nazi perhaps. Your vassals comment didn't lay out why you believe that was a relevant term, you just dropped it in as if it were a given.

Consider:

The social cost has been substantial, probably, but 2020 did accomplish exactly what it was supposed to: it liberated the USA from being a Nazi state under Donald Trump.)

I am smuggling in controversial arguments there without support 1) That the USA needed to be liberated and 2) That Donald Trump is a Nazi. There are people who actually hold that opinion, but I don't think they should be able to say that in that way here, without getting some pushback.

If I definitively called Trump a Nazi in passing I would expect to be moderated HERE, because Trump does not regard himself as a Nazi.

I don't think this is why. Richard Spencer also does not regard himself that way; would you expect similar pushback?

Here? Yes. Spencer is I think self-describes as a white nationalist, and even Wikipedia calls him a neo-Nazi not a Nazi. If someone wants to make the case he is a NAzi they should be able to. But calling him such in an off hand comment would I think be below our standards.

The people you call groomers would not call themselves that, the people the left call Nazis would generally not call themselves that etc.

Since when is self-identificaton the be-all-end-all of standards, particularly in politics? Soviet Satellites, Soviet Union, North Korea, China are all examples of undemocratic states, but which include(d) "Peoples Democratic" in their name. This contraction is so well known that it even became a joke in "Yes, Minister".

In politics it isn't. In the Motte when talking about our outgroups it should definitely be a consideration. There are lots of people who call Trump a Nazi. But they shouldn't be allowed to call him a Nazi without making an argument for it here. Aiming for higher standards is one of the things that makes this place better, I think.

The people you call groomers would not call themselves that

Do you think the people 99% of people would agree are groomers would call themselves that?

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