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I don't know, but I sure hope so.
It's no secret that I'm bearish on Elon, and one of my fears was the Trump admin's credibility being hitched to Musk's. I actually wouldn't mind if he got kicked out, but that won't necessarily be so easy for Trump. During this dustup with Vivek someone said the Red Tribe base will be thrown under the bus, I responded that this doesn't make sense as, much like Zelensky, Vivek has no cards, and sure enough he was shortly ejected. Elon on the other hand has one, and it's a pretty important one - Twitter, so it won't be so easy for Trump to kick him out.
On the other hand, the problem for Elon is that he's not the only one with such cards. Facebook is dead, but Instagram is still going strong, so maybe Zuckerborg will want to cozy up to the administration? Maybe Bezos can hire a few Trump-friendly writers at the Atlantic? So other than Elon self-combusting, he might end up outplayed.
If that's what happened, I'm a bit annoyed. Leak to your friends, not your opposition, you're raising / helping them maintain their profile, when you should be undermining it. During the first term, Trump was reportedly glued to Fox News, couldn't they leak there directly?
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