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Friday Fun Thread for March 14, 2025

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I wrote last week on Revenge of the Sith, and how it benefited from the ambiguity between the "good" side and the bad. As Padme said, "[what if] the Republic has become the very evil we have been fighting to destroy?" @SubstantialFrivolity responded that, despite its flaws, Revenge of the Sith was the best of the Star Wars movies due to this complexity, and mildly criticized the original Star Wars for being a derivative "hero's journey".

Since I first watched Star Wars at age 7 (just before the abominable Special Editions came out, in its unadulterated form) it has been my favorite movie.

It is not a derivative "hero's journey". It is a distilled "hero's journey". A restless youth is trapped in a backwater. One day he seizes the opportunity to do something greater, and is suddenly thrust into confrontations of galactic import. He rescues a literal princess, with the help of a ragtag band of comrades. And while he doesn't "get the girl", that is not actually a critical component of a hero's story: rather what distinguishes the Journey is the acceptance and subsequential overcoming of an offered challenge.

A key part of a hero's journey is that the morality of the conquest is never in doubt. In Star Wars, evil is evil and good is good. From the first moment of the movie, where a gigantic, sharp, wedge shaped ship fires on a smaller, fleeing vessel; to the black, masked villain stepping into the pristine white interior; to the almost flippant destruction of an entire planet, the Evil Empire is clearly evil. The princess is being held captive, and it is a moral imperative to rescue her. The Death Star is threatening to kill all the characters we have met throughout the movie, and it is obviously a moral good to destroy it.

It is a common modern trope for a Hero to self-doubt and self-incriminate following the successful completion of the quest. (We see this writ large in our society's embarrassment over "colonialization"; which, at the time, was a manifestation of an "ascendent" society). Yet Star Wars had such clear Heroes and Villains that it carried through three sequels unexamined. It wasn't until the second movie of the sequel Trilogy that this narrative began to be subverted (and explains the audience backlash against The Last Jedi).

In short, Star Wars is pure. It is purified in its distillation of the Hero's Journey. It is pure in its depiction of Good and Evil. It is pure in its innocence. From the humble beginnings on a desert planet to the triumphant return of the motif in the Throne Room, Star Wars perfectly embodies something elemental and essential, untainted by cynicism or doubt.

I think it's funny now, how everybody (Including Red Letter Media, and myself) mocked The Phantom Menace for making the "taxation of trade routes" a major plot point, and yet, gestures around

The part George got wrong is that he clearly thought that it was going to be the Japanese.

Nitpicking, but: it wasn't a major plot point, it was a major MacGuffin. The critical thing wasn't that taxation of trade routes was in dispute, it was just that the immediate backstory had some important-but-subtle dispute that was threatening to blow up. You need "important" to make it plausible that things escalate to actual military conflict, and you need "subtle" to make it plausible (to characters who've never met Sidious) that the dispute was the result of behind-the-scenes machinations with no overt enemy or sociological force, but details of "taxes", "legal ownership of the Maltese Falcon", who cares? Trade and taxation was a great choice, because tax codes are exactly the sort of thing that makes most people's eyes glaze over but can be life-changing to the people most directly affected, but the details don't ever become important to the story.

Talking about that bit of backstory in the title crawl might have been just asking for mockery (because most of your audience is made of "most people", and the second sentence in your intro is a bad place for their eyes to glaze over), but that's bad editing, not bad plotting. There had to be some way to convey "the galaxy was so peaceful that everybody could freak out over taxes" without also accidentally implying "your fun spaceships-and-magic movie is now going to have more tax accounting!".

It's a fine nitpick. I remember reading a prequel novel ("cloak of deception" maybe?) That flushed it out way more.

I'm a phantom menace defender.