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Culture War Roundup for the week of November 14, 2022

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The problem is your not specifically answering the solutions with details.

Ironically, you didn't respond to my argument with any details, you just repeated your own belief.

It’s your idea so your the one who needs to present the details.

It's not really "my idea" as it's used in dozens of countries. If you think it's completely unusable then the burden of proof is on you.

Here's one example. This is the only time I'm going to do this, because otherwise this comment chain could just grow until we've recreated all of the law system of a developed country.

The use of shell companies is, as another commenter pointed out, already common everywhere. This does cause problems sometimes, but is not something that makes the whole system unusable. In this case of "make a shell company just to file a lawsuit" one option is to require someone filing a lawsuit to have assets or insurance. You dismissed this option above then poor people couldn't sue, but A) insurance could still be very cheap for a lawsuit that is likely to succeed; B) filing a lawsuit already has costs; and C) we already have lawyers who work on contingency, who would probably have little issue also fronting the cost of insurance for legitimate suits.

There are other options as well. A country could require a more substantial entity located in their borders to file a lawsuit, such as an actual person who owns the company or can attest to its legitimacy, and is willing to take responsibility for the costs of losing a lawsuit. As above, this entity would need to have assets or insurance. Courts already deal with location-based jurisdiction questions, companies and individuals trying to hide assets, etc; while I'm sure there are questions that would need be resolved by legislatures and/or courts, they don't prevent the system from working at all.

To summarize

“It’s used in a lot of other countries” therefore I do NOT need to give detailed reasoning for changing the entire legal system of the richest country earth has ever known.

And to repeat I can’t give you a response if you don’t give me specific detailed solutions to think about. I can’t debate something with myself.

Wow, you're obnoxious. I gave you a solution, did you just not bother to read 80% of my comment?

Did you edit? To add insurance? Yes that’s possible. Would add a substantial costs for poor people. Since well small cases would need to pay underwriters to evaluate or charge significant premiums for cases and try to hope it’s filter for selection bias. Insurance is basically the same thing as bails bondsmen which the US is already removing due to negative effects on the poor.

For insurance your basically just privatizing initially court date to see if their is probably cause. We could just reform that step in the existing system .

I didn't edit it. If I did, you could see "Edited ago". What is with these easily disproved lies? You've already shown you don't bother to read comments or links before making aggressive comments, so I'm not sure who you think you're fooling.

Anyway, yeah, all systems have costs and downsides. Right now we have one where the downside is "you can ruin anyone's life at any time by filing frivolous lawsuits and bankrupting them." To me this seems pretty clearly much worse than "poor people continue to have worse access; may need help with legal issues, like they already do (as well as for everything else); obvious solutions like contingencies already exist but might not be perfect."

The bail bondsman reference doesn't make any sense at all.

I didn't edit it. If I did, you could see "Edited ago".

The "Edited ... ago" indication only shows if you edit a comment after few minutes have passed. If you edit within the first few minutes, nothing shows.

I'm not party to your conversation or anything, but I thought it'd be worth clarifying this for you and @sliders1234

Bail and insurance to file are literally the exact same product. One for criminal and one for lawsuit but both are essentially insurance for performance.