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Transnational Thursday for May 8, 2025

Transnational Thursday is a thread for people to discuss international news, foreign policy or international relations history. Feel free as well to drop in with coverage of countries you’re interested in, talk about ongoing dynamics like the wars in Israel or Ukraine, or even just whatever you’re reading.

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Some recent diplomatic news from Ukraine: a bunch of EU country leaders have endorsed Zelensky's offer of an unconditional 30-day ceasefire and are trying to convince Putin to agree by painting him as a warmonger and threatening him with additional sanctions.

The counteroffer from Putin is that he's willing to start direct peace talks instead. It's easy to see why he's reluctant to agree to an unconditional ceasefire: he hasn't secured any strategic objectives since the land bridge to Crimea and his current approach is to keep pummeling Ukraine until it runs out of men first and the front buckles. An unconditional ceasefire clearly benefits the defender: Ukraine gets a month to rotate its troops, resupply the frontline, build additional defensive lines.

Now, there are several ways in which the situation could evolve. I think a lot depends on the outcome of Xi-Putin talks. If Xi endorses Putin's direct peace talks offer, this will be a major signal to Trump that he also has to support Putin and not Starmer/Macron/Merz.

I don't know in what world Xi would not endorse his ally's peace talks offer. Also why trump would be swung by Xi's endorsement in putin's favour.

An offer to talk is worth zilch, as the tariff talks clownshow has demonstrated. I like kasparov’s take of calling the americans chicken, Ukraine's best hope is that Trump throws a fit at Putin's refusal. Someone tell him heavily subventioned arms exports lead to trade surplus, it's like chinese EVs.

I don't know in what world Xi would not endorse his ally's peace talks offer.

In the world where he thinks Russia is firmly in China's orbit no matter what the outcome of the war is.

Also why trump would be swung by Xi's endorsement in putin's favour.

Because peeling Russia away from China to further isolate the latter is one of Trump's goals.

  1. In that scenario, Xi doesn’t care enough to even pay lip service to his ally, and to the idea of peace? For what, trying to humiliate Putin for his domestic audience (“have you even said thank you once?”)?

  2. That’s a stupid idea that will never work, so it would be a normal day at the golf course for TRUMP. But it would be one more reason why Xi wouldn't snub Putin in the first place. Personally I think the americans would be better off (re)-peeling peaceful China away from global nuclear threat Russia. They're like Pakistan, they threaten to destroy the world every time things don't go their way ("what's the use of a world without Russia?" - Vlad P., Moscow).