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PaperclipPerfector  3d ago (text post)   1932 thread views

Friday Fun Thread for May 9, 2025

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Are there any (very) old school trance / EDM fans here?

I've never much liked EDM as I find most of the music dreadfully repetitive and boring. I do however have a soft spot for some early 90s trance due to being introduced to a handful of tracks via friends in the mid to late 90s that I later found to my surprise are now considered some of the OG classics (Paragliders, Cygnus X, some other Eye Q Records singles). I've recently been looking for some more music in that style and realized that something happened to the genre around 96-98 and the music before that is much more varied, interesting and has more "air" and space in the music. After that it's all supersaw cliches, sounds overstuffed and is really quite cookie cutter. So the question goes: Did something specific happen around 1997 to the scene, other than Roland publishing JP-8000 (which introduced supersaw)?

One of the classic tracks conveniently has the original 1993 version and a 1996 remix that demonstrates quite well what I mean.

I think that at some point in the early 2000s, the EDM genre might have bifurcated into a much more mainstream subgenre ("Anthem Trance"?) and a myriad of niche ones that you couldn't really play at a club or beach party without scaring the hoes or whatever they call it these days.

Is your issue with the remix the specific choice of orchestration, or just that it seems all around more busy? I wouldn't call either version of the song you linked "not repetitive", insofar as there always has been trance/EDM with a more pronounced dramatic arc. There are a number of newer songs that I would consider to have similar vibes to yours: Christian Fischer - Watch the Dog (original mix), So Inagawa - Selfless State, or on the busy end of the spectrum, NAYUTA - Weisse Messer.

Some other trance songs I enjoy: busy with mainstreamish orchestration: Plutian - Sonagi, lawy - forget me not, marginal to the genre: Hooverphonic - Battersea. There is in fact a wealth of great trance songs with vocals, but I figured you might not be looking for those.

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