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Or just, if he wants any social contact at all. Doesn't have to be a wild, raucus party. It just becomes increasingly awkward asking your friends to hang out in your mom's basement or a tiny studio apartment as you get older. People will also reciprocate by inviting you to their own parties.
3rd spaces usually cost money, though. Maybe the hippie dropout is happy to hang out in the public park or town square, but the millionaire lawyer guy tends to get tired of those places pretty quickly. He might want to go on a ski trip or to a fancy restaurant, and then what does the hippie dropout guy do? Beg for a handout? Just skip that one?
Friends had a good episode about the awkwardness of doing shared experiences with a friend group where people have vastly different incomes: https://youtube.com/watch?v=EYb9jnt2cv4
These are all good points. However, I'd mention that none of that is relevant to the examples the OP gave, namely "working out, playing the same video games, watching the same tv/movies/anime, scrolling too much on social media and going traveling to similar places from time from time".
True. And warren buffet and Trump are both famously big fans of regular coca cola, which i assume is just the same for them as it is for anyone else.
Lets conpromise and say, there are some experiences universal regardless of income, but others really require money. And my opinion is that a fulfilling life in modern western society really does require some rrasonable amount of money. Theres a thin libe between "free spirited hippy" and "miserable homeless bum"
And probably that line is labelled: 'has options'.
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personally I like hiking etc, and I expect that I would still like it if I would be really rich (millionaire seems to be not really impressive nowadays after few rounds of inflation).
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