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The somehow both feminist and red pill take is an important element of this was that independent female status-seeking was much more constrained so the benefits of half of Europe being exploded flowed disproportionately to men.
It seems to me that feminists and red-pillers agree on most ground facts, e.g., men work longer hours and make more money. They simply disagree as to whether the facts are a bad or a good thing.
So no surprise that they should be in agreement about the facts on this topic.
More generally, it seems to me that progressives and traditionalists agree on most ground facts, and the fighting is mostly just the narcissism of small differences/whose brand gets to be on top.
(Some red-pillers are not traditionalists, of course, but they're not a major influence compared to those that are.)
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