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Culture War Roundup for the week of July 21, 2025

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Please don't blame GWOT expenditures on the inability of the USAF to manage the budget projections of its aircraft development and production.

Not just aircraft - ships, fighting vehicles, helicopters, tanks and artillery projects were killed or trimmed down during the relevant time-frame. I agree that DoD development retardation is a thing, but I don't believe you can spend $8 trillion and fight a 20-year unconventional war and not have it impact your ability to fight a conventional war, both in terms of procurement and in terms of troop training.

If nothing else, the DoD shifted and pursued procurement programs that were very useful in the GWOT but of dubious utility in a hot war (drones being a big example).

Again, please do not blame the USN's incompetence at program management on the GWOT. That problem predates and outlasts the GWOT.

fighting vehicles, helicopters, tanks and artillery projects

These will almost certainly be irrelevant in a war with China.

$8 trillion

This is a made up number. It includes veteran care. In the future. Separate budget entirely.

fight a 20-year unconventional war and not have it impact your ability to fight a conventional war

Look man. I was in the Army. I spent time in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Do you know who wasn't really doing much fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan? The USAF and USN. Their core assets were not affected very much by counterinsurgency operations.

Guess who is the least useful branch in a probable conflict with China? That's right, the US Army. The major exception would be air defense artillery, but they've been deployed across the world before, during, and after the GWOT due to their particular mission set. And boy are they getting a lot of attention of late that might just do them a lot of good such that if China does get frisky in the coming years they'll be better off.

very useful in the GWOT but of dubious utility in a hot war (drones being a big example)

This is a hilarious take since drone bros like Elon take exactly the opposite line you do on drones vs. manned platforms like the B-21. Funnily, the B-21 Wiki has it "maybe" going to replace the B-52 after it replaces the B-1 and B-2. We just don't make 'em like we used to.

Israel just used drones to assist quite a lot in a hot war. For ISR they're incredibly valuable, and that includes against China.

The GWOT was stupid for many reasons. Believe me, I know.

But the DoD's longstanding incompetence wrt major weapon programs, cost overruns, and maintaining an advantage over China can't really be blamed on us occupying Iraq for less than a decade and Afghanistan for about two decades, mostly with a light footprint of Army soldiers in light infantry and mechanized infantry formations. The USN and USAF have a lot of rot and incompetence built up.

This is a made up number. It includes veteran care. In the future. Separate budget entirely.

All US revenue either comes from taxes or from debt. Neither are unlimited (well - taxes aren't unlimited, the jury might be out on the debt!) At the end of the day, it's all one budget.

The USAF and USN. Their core assets were not affected very much by counterinsurgency operations.

This is not true for the Navy or the Air Force, although perhaps your MOS didn't encounter them much.

Guess who is the least useful branch in a probable conflict with China? That's right, the US Army.

Yes, I do agree with this.

This is a hilarious take since drone bros like Elon take exactly the opposite line you do on drones vs. manned platforms like the B-21.

IMHO, the problem isn't with unmanned aircraft necessarily (although I am skeptical that 100% unmanned replacements for fighters and bombers are viable for other reasons, but from a certain POV any missile is just an unmanned aircraft, and missiles are definitely useful!) but rather that drones like the Predator and Global Hawk aren't very survivable on the modern battlefield (hence why the Houthis keep shooting them down). I'm not saying we shouldn't have some, particularly in the semi-attritable ISR role, or in the stealthy role. But I'm not sure the 300 MQ-9s we have will be super helpful if the balloon goes up against China. (Maybe in the far blockade scenario as ISR assets.)

The USN and USAF have a lot of rot and incompetence built up.

Sure, I believe this. But I think (particularly during the Obama era) that the GWOT, admittedly combined with the Ukraine situation, slowed the "pivot to Asia" that Obama announced.

All US revenue either comes from taxes or from debt. Neither are unlimited (well - taxes aren't unlimited, the jury might be out on the debt!) At the end of the day, it's all one budget.

That we do not balance.

And for which defense spending is not the biggest area by a long shot these days.

This is not true for the Navy or the Air Force, although perhaps your MOS didn't encounter them much.

Fighting the Houthis is not merely the GWOT. They're affecting freedom of the seas. That's normal shit for the USN to combat.

Also the current conflict with the Houthis and Iran is not really the GWOT anymore now is it? It's not related to contingency ops in Iraq or Afghanistan.

That article makes it pretty clear the B-1 was already had known maintenance issues and was past its service life with or without the GWOT. They had given up their primary purpose of a nuclear bomber well before the GWOT even kicked off. The hardest kind of flying is the low-level kind they do in training, for fun, not combat sorties.

If anything the GWOT made us really get our money's worth out of the platform.

But I'm not sure the 300 MQ-9s we have will be super helpful if the balloon goes up against China.

Having a loitering target in the sky has its uses even against the Chinese.

But yes, we need Anduril to up the standard.