This weekly roundup thread is intended for all culture war posts. 'Culture war' is vaguely defined, but it basically means controversial issues that fall along set tribal lines. Arguments over culture war issues generate a lot of heat and little light, and few deeply entrenched people ever change their minds. This thread is for voicing opinions and analyzing the state of the discussion while trying to optimize for light over heat.
Optimistically, we think that engaging with people you disagree with is worth your time, and so is being nice! Pessimistically, there are many dynamics that can lead discussions on Culture War topics to become unproductive. There's a human tendency to divide along tribal lines, praising your ingroup and vilifying your outgroup - and if you think you find it easy to criticize your ingroup, then it may be that your outgroup is not who you think it is. Extremists with opposing positions can feed off each other, highlighting each other's worst points to justify their own angry rhetoric, which becomes in turn a new example of bad behavior for the other side to highlight.
We would like to avoid these negative dynamics. Accordingly, we ask that you do not use this thread for waging the Culture War. Examples of waging the Culture War:
-
Shaming.
-
Attempting to 'build consensus' or enforce ideological conformity.
-
Making sweeping generalizations to vilify a group you dislike.
-
Recruiting for a cause.
-
Posting links that could be summarized as 'Boo outgroup!' Basically, if your content is 'Can you believe what Those People did this week?' then you should either refrain from posting, or do some very patient work to contextualize and/or steel-man the relevant viewpoint.
In general, you should argue to understand, not to win. This thread is not territory to be claimed by one group or another; indeed, the aim is to have many different viewpoints represented here. Thus, we also ask that you follow some guidelines:
-
Speak plainly. Avoid sarcasm and mockery. When disagreeing with someone, state your objections explicitly.
-
Be as precise and charitable as you can. Don't paraphrase unflatteringly.
-
Don't imply that someone said something they did not say, even if you think it follows from what they said.
-
Write like everyone is reading and you want them to be included in the discussion.
On an ad hoc basis, the mods will try to compile a list of the best posts/comments from the previous week, posted in Quality Contribution threads and archived at /r/TheThread. You may nominate a comment for this list by clicking on 'report' at the bottom of the post and typing 'Actually a quality contribution' as the report reason.

Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Notes -
Extending the right of civil marriage as a contract to the gays was something that I would have been tepid about and not really minded (until the idiots running the pro-same sex marriage campaign in my country couldn't successfully hide their contempt for normal mores and enraged me to red-hot "I'm voting no in the referendum, I know we're gonna lose but to hell with it, I am not going along with this crap"), but it was ridiculous to say that changing the definition of marriage would not have any effects whatsoever. If we changed the age of consent to be six, I don't think anyone would get away with "now it's legal to fuck six year olds but this will have no effect on wider society whatsoever".
Same way that the number of abortions has gone up in my country once it was legalised. Gosh, you don't say? Making something legal means more of it happens? Who could possibly have foreseen that? Oh, and this is despite the rollout of free contraception and nope, it's not all "pregnant by incestuous rape and I will die unless I get an abortion because I'm only ten" cases:
So if we add up all the "thousands of women will die unless we get legal abortion!" cases by these figures, that's a whole 108 +24 +9 = 141. Out of 10,852 that comes to... 1.3%. Well I'm so glad compassion and trusting the medical experts won the abortion battle now.
At this stage I'm singing the same old song, but here goes: clears throat But I was told and assured by the government bringing this in that abortion would be limited and would only be for very severe cases of medical necessity! There would be no abortions because "whoops, I got laid and now there's a bun in the oven and I'm not ready for that"! (No, I did not believe any of that so the latest results don't surprise me).
More options
Context Copy link