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I judge anti tattoo posts online more harshly then actual tattoos IRL. My initial snap emotional judgement is that online anti tattoo stigma is the province of, "timid men“. I feel like there's a reason here and reddit both hate tattoos and sometimes look down drinking. It's the original virgin chad meme where Chad is comfortable and chill and the virgin is uncomfortable in his own skin. IRL most people under 50 that I know with these opinions on tattoos tend to be coming from a position of fear and inability to hang with the boyz rather than solid judgment. Online I can't help but feel this is more so, when I see an anti-tattoo post here or on reddit my strong initial snap judgement is it's written by a timid man who is uncomfortable with masculinity.
As for tattoos themselves in the Portland area it matters a lot what kind of tattoos you have. I am not saying I don't judge tattoos but a hipster girl with arty tattoos is entirely different than a girls with a tattoo of her baby daddies name or Jesus saves. There are tattoos and tattoos but trying to exclude all tattoos in Portland is gonna make you go insane. In Western culture tattoos are totally mainstream these days.
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