prohibits any meaningful discourse beyond bare bones fact reporting.
This would be a problem... if there were any meaningful discourse occuring in the mainstream media.
Do you see such discourse taking place? Where?
But yes, the point that you can't readily sort objective truth out of the current information environment and then force all media to conform to such truth is quite accurate.
My point is that Scott is being charitable in saying the media "almost never lies" whereas I would say "the media lies constantly but has evolved to lie in ways that they won't be punished for."
And because they aren't punished in the slightest for these lies, they continue to espouse them, in an incredibly systematic way.
I think this is just a disagreement of semantics: you and he are using slightly different definitions for the word "lie". You are using it to include any form of dishonesty, or at least the forms the media uses, while Scott is using it to mean literal false statements of fact which are objectively disprovable.
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This would be a problem... if there were any meaningful discourse occuring in the mainstream media.
Do you see such discourse taking place? Where?
But yes, the point that you can't readily sort objective truth out of the current information environment and then force all media to conform to such truth is quite accurate.
My point is that Scott is being charitable in saying the media "almost never lies" whereas I would say "the media lies constantly but has evolved to lie in ways that they won't be punished for."
And because they aren't punished in the slightest for these lies, they continue to espouse them, in an incredibly systematic way.
I think this is just a disagreement of semantics: you and he are using slightly different definitions for the word "lie". You are using it to include any form of dishonesty, or at least the forms the media uses, while Scott is using it to mean literal false statements of fact which are objectively disprovable.
Yes, and as per my initial comment, it'd be nice if he had explicitly laid out his definition of 'lie.'
That's the missing context I'd really like to be added in.
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