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Culture War Roundup for the week of December 26, 2022

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And my point is that the treatment is NOT even remotely similar to injecting bleach. You are talking about localized treatments on the surface of the body -- the nasal sprays in question were applied to the nasal epithelium, were they not? And the eye baths are just that: Baths; the eye is immersed in fluid which surrounds the surface of the eye. There are, of course, [treatments that inject medicine into the eye}(https://www.aao.org/eye-health/treatments/eye-injections), but those appear to be antibiotics, not antiseptics, and even in those, AFAIK the medicine is confined to the eye, unlike injections that address infections, which are distributed throughout the body. And it is the "throughout the body" part that makes injecting bleach hazardous, is it not?

PS: I don't know whether Trump was right or wrong; for all I know, it is possible to develop some sort of injectable antiseptic. I am just saying that your example is not evidence one way or the other.

Going to be honest I just disagree. These uses seem similar though not identical to injection. Even moreso nasal sprays because your definitely digesting some of the substance.

I guess I simply don't understand that the fact that users might accidentally inhale a chemical that is not meant to be inhaled says anything about the viability of designing that or any other substance to be intentionally inhaled or injected. It seems completely irrelevant.

Isn’t a nasal spray intentionally inhaling the product? The nasal cavity itself I consider to be an internal part of the body. And breathing happens. Eye baths are literal organs being disinfected and not just cleaning your skin which is designed as an exterior protective shield.

No,the treatment you linked to is clearly not inhaled. It is meant to eliminate COVID viruses in the nostrils, not in the lungs.

So you don’t breath thru your nose? This is getting pedantic but your insides are going to be exposed to the product by injecting it into your nose.

Are you seriously not aware that there are all sorts of nasal sprays which explicitly instruct the user not to inhale the product? And do you seriously not understand the difference between "a tiny amount of this product might accidentally be inhaled" and "this product is designed to be intentionally inhaled? Because that is what you said: "Isn’t a nasal spray intentionally inhaling the product?" The examples you gave simply are not evidence relevant to whether or not injecting bleach or another antiseptic is or is not a potentially promising COVID intervention.

Well Trump never said inject bleach. I believe you are being too pedantic or protecting blue anon. But regardless intentional digestion of disinfectant is a proven COVID treatment and not some poisoning yourself. That’s what these nasal sprays are doing.

Key is Trump was basically correct and BlueAnon costs lives blocking effective treatments.

Oh FFS, did you even read the study you linked to? 1) It is not an ingestion; and 2) it is not even a treatment. It is a method of reducing transmission.

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The amount you would get into your bloodstream through a nasal spray is likely much more controlled compared to, you know, IV chlorhexidine. Bloodstream availability is waaaaaay lower. Not really comparable.

I mean, there’s also dermal absorption, right? But I think most of us would be pretty doubtful of the idea that washing our hands is essentially IV soap, and nasal spray is probably significantly closer to washing hands than it is to IV.

Same/similar goes with the eyewash, really.

Sure there are degrees of injection.

The point is Trump was referring to a valid medical treatment.

And truth is BlueAnon likely caused excess deaths twisting his words and making the valid treatments seem kooky.

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