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Culture War Roundup for the week of August 25, 2025

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I am more optimistic, their currently tested designs are innately better than Falcon 9

Citation needed? I would say "currently in testing", but "tested" suggests they've made it to orbit, and AFAIK there are no non-expendable Chinese designs that have reached orbit so far. And even if you consider hop tests and engine tests to be "tested", everything seriously in the works there is basically working off the Falcon 9 playbook.

"Gravity-2 aims to operate at a similar price per kilogram as the SpaceX Falcon 9", which is about what you'd expect from a lineup that looks like someone was frantically cribbing from SpaceX. (which is mostly the right thing for them to do, to be clear; it beats the hell out of Europe's response to SpaceX)

The Hyperbola-3 hasn't had any prices announced yet but it also looks more like "cribbing from Falcon" than "innately better", except for the choice of a methalox rather than kerolox engine.

Deep Blue Aerospace is at the advanced cribbing stage, surpassing its competitors' infographics of not-Falcon-9 and not-Falcon-Heavy rockets by putting a not-Starship rocket at the end.

Pallas-1 gets us back to not-Falcon-9 and not-Falcon-Heavy territory.

The obsession with Falcon Heavy clones is IMHO a bad sign for some of these companies. Even SpaceX admits that Falcon Heavy wasn't worth the trouble in hindsight, and there was a point where if they hadn't already accepted Air Force contracts for it (or if Gwynne Shotwell hadn't talked Musk into staying on the feds' good side) they'd have probably canceled it entirely. The original rationale behind it was that they didn't think Falcon 9 would be nearly as powerful as it was, but after some engine improvements and tank stretching and propellant subcooling the F9 got pushed into the FH weight class, and FH got pushed out into a weight class where (with its small fairing) it will never have enough payloads to pay back the investment.

I don't know much about Tianlong-3. I'd give the company points for being the first Chinese startup to put a liquid-fueled rocket in orbit, but then take away a quarter of those points for being the first to launch a rocket stage unintentionally, to fly for miles out of control before impact, when a test fire stand broke.

Maybe LandSpace is the best bet here? 4 successful Zhuque-2 launches with 2 failures, VTVL and relight tests with Zhuque-3, using methalox now and working on full-flow methalox upgrades. There's no hint of Starship-scale plans in their future, but they're at least setting up to have Starship-quality institutional experience.

But I think what's impressive about the Chinese effort isn't any single rocket design, it's the sheer volume of these efforts. All but one of those companies has already reached orbit, albeit with smaller and less-ambitious designs than what they're working on now. Two of them have reached orbit with liquid-fueled stages. Even if most of them fail or come up with something mediocre, they're actually trying and achieving impressive things quicky. In the US, after SpaceX, our best efforts are probably Blue Origin (made it to orbit after only 25 years!), RocketLab (the Electron would have been impressive if they'd got reusability working, and I'm hopeful for Neutron), Stoke (still just doing hop tests, but actually trying out a potentially better-than-Falcon-9 idea), and maybe Firefly (with no impressive launch vehicle plans, but they made orbit).

and may allow rapid scaling beyond Starships, though this might take 5+ years

Even in the "I made a PowerPoint!" dreams of (the 4th redesign of) the Long March 9, a rocket scaling to Starship is supposed to be not flying before the 2040s.

I do mostly mean LandSpace with Zhuque-2/3, and Space Epoch's Yuanxingzhe-1. Yes, I assume that these designs will be almost fully preserved in product version. They are better than Falcon-9 in that F9 is pretty old, and they're copying Starship as well. Methalox, steel body, more robust build (F9 diameter was limited by stupid American railroad/highway standard). This has the potential for rapid reusability and mass production. And you don't need to scale to Starship if you can scale to dozens of vehicles instead. I've heard that LandSpace may get facilities currently involved in metalworking for military aviation.

Long March 9,

I am completely jaded about the Long March program and it isn't factoring into my estimates. Robin Li was wise to insist on liberalizing the space market to enable those private efforts, they will determine Chinese ceiling.