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Hang on. You're pattern matching something I've said, into something I did not.
My point was:
The UK has/had rape gangs. I have specifically alluded to the fact that I'm aware of this. I have explained that such rape gangs are thin on the ground in Dundee and similar cities in Scotland, and there is little reason to imagine their involvement in this scenario beyond rampant pattern matching.
On the Right, there is far more popular demand for Scottish rape gangs run by migrants than there are, in fact, actual migrant rape gangs. Specifically in the less urbanized parts of Scotland. I took great pains to make the limits of my knowledge, and that of my ignorance, very clear.
In fact, I have responded to the previous incident in Dundee:
https://www.themotte.org/post/2899/culture-war-roundup-for-the-week/359937?context=8#context
That is a rather important thing to keep in mind. Which way, Western Man? Trust the Dundee constabulary more for cracking down on a minor sex trafficking ring, or despise and distrust them because of something that happened on the other end of the country? It is, at the very least, exceedingly poor form to use their success to condemn what they say later.
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