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I agree with @WandererintheWilderness. Speculation about future technologies is in a separate category from religious beliefs.
Soft disagree on that one.
Much of it is very plainly wishful thinking in the face of mortality.
One of my last AAQCs was about how tiresome I find the "you're only speculating about possible future technologies because you're afraid of death" "argument". As I argued there, even if that's the underlying psychological motivation for why people are speculating about said technologies, it doesn't really tell us anything about how likely said technologies are to come to pass.
When someone's speculating about how different future societies might be to our own, before accusing them of wishful thinking, just think about how bizarre our society would seem to someone from five hundred years ago. I'm sure hundreds of years ago when Alice said "in the future, we'll be able to treat infections easily, and smallpox will be eradicated, and amputation won't be the first port of call for damaged limbs, and only a small proportion of women will die in childbirth", Bob would be there to condescendingly pat on her head and tell her that her childish wishful thinking would get her nowhere. Or, as a comic recently shared in these parts wittily put it, "ME GO TOO FAR!"
That's true. And it may as well be true that after death, we all go to heaven. I wouldn't know either way. Granted, one of these may well become observable one day, unlike the other.
That things never yet ceased to amuse me.
It's not an argument, you're correct. It's part observation, part speculation, on my part, something I find interesting in its own right. I don't mean to make any point about what future technologies will or won't be capable of. I also don't intend to pry open the brains of third party futurists to try and find out whether I'm even right or wrong about my theory. It's just my completely personal view that I'm putting out here for the sake of a conversation about the parallels between futurism and religion. If that isn't interesting to you, but futurism itself is, then I understand that but I also think we can have our cake and eat it by just having both discussions, with no need to shut down one for the other.
Yeah, guilty as charged, I'm a Bob. I leave it to the Alices to prove me wrong.
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