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How has this worked out in the past? The most salient examples I can think of of this in the past are
But in fairness to you, are there some specific times in history where a government came in and forced specific views into the marketplace of ideas at gunpoint, and this went well? Maybe it's just a failure of historical knowledge on my part, and this is usually a strategy which leads to a free and flourishing nation.
Again - the marketplace of ideas and free speech are already dead. CPR does not have a good success rate but we do it because you can't get worse than dead. CPR is ugly. You feel the mangled flesh of their chest and feel like you are going cut your hand on their fractured ribs. Doesn't mean you give up.
Especially important because the people who killed it have oppressed me for the last ten+ years (or at least, I identify that way), some of them appear to be publicly stating they want me dead (see: polling, public statements by left leaning influencers), and we've seen what happens when you put these people in charge (marxist and socialist thought in China, Russia, etc).
You mention the cultural revolution - Trump has zero percent chance of making that happen. None of what that is or the environment that brings it is represented by Trump. Meanwhile the left has already started their cultural revolution.
You want the cultural revolution that has zero chance to happen or the one that is already picking up steam?
Rumors of the death of the marketplace of ideas are greatly exaggerated. Exhibit 1: we are posting on a site where holocaust revisionists speak freely (and incessantly). Free speech norms aren't as strong now as they were in the late 90s, but they are not entirely dead, and (up until the Charlie Kirk murder) were moving in a mostly good direction. A lot of right wing ideas have been winning in the marketplace of ideas recently (e.g. around immigration, trans, parental rights). In many cases, I am not happy that those particular ideas are winning - but I am very happy that the marketplace of ideas seems to be recovering. Let's maybe not throw that away.
I get that you feel personally wronged, and that you want revenge for that. You likely genuinely were wronged. The people you are trying to take revenge on, though, are not the same people who wronged you, even if both sets share a broad ideological tent.
Which one is picking up steam, in your view? Are you sure you're not living in 2021 still?
Literally the point. The Motte was chased off of /r/SSC and then reddit in general because of no-no thoughts.
You can tell me the marketplace of ideas is recovering when I can reveal my political affiliation at work without severe professional consequences.
Yes. And we moved here, and nobody stopped us, and now there are multiple more mainstream places on the internet (e.g. twitter) where people can say stuff that at one point would have been pushed to fringe places like here.
No, I can tell you the marketplace of ideas has recovered at that point. The place it's in is still bad, the direction it's moving (or at least was moving) is good. The difference between 2021 and now is the difference between having $15,000 of credit card debt that's going up by $1000 / month and having $15,000 of credit card debt that's going down by $1000 / month. Obviously it'd be better not to have the debt at all, but the latter situation is much much better than the former, and I am suspicious of anyone in the latter situation saying they need to blow up their financial plan and replace it with something reckless because they are still in debt.
(Although on a concrete object level, if you're in a left-dominated profession outside of education, you likely can reveal your political affiliation at work without professional consequences, if you own your beliefs and state them in a level-headed and reasonable sounding way. The vibes really have shifted quite a lot).
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