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Culture War Roundup for the week of January 23, 2023

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The west's ideology got to you. I know with all the controversies around your comments people where telling you to come back to your country. I say better stay with us, and don't ruin it.

Oh I agree, I'm a Westerner through and through. My internal moral system is thoroughly guilt based (like a Westerner) rather than shame based (like the inhabitants of my homeland). I recognise the great Past Masters of the West as being above what my culture produced, for instance I would wholeheartedly rank Goethe higher than Rumi.

What I'm not though is a Westoid. The two things are very different and current modern western culture is Westoid culture, not Western culture. I would much rather live under Western culture than my own (it's better in like, almost every way), but equally I far prefer my own culture over Westoid culture (now that, that's worse in like, almost every way).

Until the west renounces the social experiment of the last 70 years I will continue to advocate for the replacement of large amounts of its core tenets, since I genuinely think that would lead to an improved state of affairs for humanity as a whole.

What I'm not though is a Westoid.

Am not convinced. "I'll pay you to hand over your most talented people, this way we'll be both better off" is peak Westoidism. You've never seen a project fall apart, because key players moved on, and no matter how much money was thrown at it, it just stagnated or degraded?

Nah, pay the poor countries enough and they'll be able to hire actually competent white people from the west to come over and work, it's what places like Dubai do for their managerial class (to direct the low end migrants they get from my homeland etc.) and they've done really well as a country when you consider the underlying natives are at the level of uneducated pearl divers.

Only problem is corruption/incompetence will lead to the money being squandered pretty quickly. The solution is probably for western governments to pay for competent westerners to go spend 5-10 years overseas on an expat salary to rule justly over us in return for the permanent migrants we send your way. It's like America's "military aid": all that money goes to American firms that then provide weapons, the countries getting the "aid" don't see a dollar in the form of a dollar to spend as they please (almost certainly a good thing). Same principle here, but with people.

Nah, pay the poor countries enough and they'll be able to hire actually competent white people from the west to come over and work

But then not only are you poaching native talent, you're sending Westoids to these countries, it's a lose-lose. Even Mexicans are starting to get fed up with all the Americans moving there.

it's what places like Dubai do for their managerial class

How does the math check out on that? Dubai is paying through the nose for it, you're saying poor countries should be paid enough to hire foreign talent, doesn't that just make it cost-prohibitive to do that? I mean, it might be a good way to shut the whole thing down, but I thought that's not what we're discussing.

The math checks out because we send you people permanently, but you only send people for a few years. We only continually get our (small) stock of Western people replenished by continuing to send you people permanently.

you're sending Westoids to these countries

Not average westoids, but rather competent people with proven experience backing them, so upper middle management level and higher. These people tend to be fine and good. And you really don't need that many moving over. Like 1 competent western person sent for 5 years for every 10 fresh graduates of ours would still be a pretty damn good trade for us.