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Culture War Roundup for the week of October 13, 2025

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Having weak and marginal Jews in your community that paid the dhimmi tax and that you could coerce the beautiful daughters into Islam is nothing like brotherhood,

How much do you know about Jewish life in Palestine or the muslim world prior to Israel? Who was in charge of the government during the Jewish Golden Age?

The Jews don't want to be dhimmi. No one wants to be a non-Muslim subject in a Islamic country if they can help it.

Do you think the Palestinians want to be non-Jewish subjects in a Jewish country? Hell, I wouldn't want to be a non-Jewish subject in a Jewish country.

Even the most tolerant Palestinian wants the Jews to live in a box outside of the holy places and be milked for taxes by the bridge troll.

I think the last century of events has contributed rather heavily to negative attitudes towards jews amongst the Palestinians.

I'm sorry, but your historical read is just wrong. The leftist perspective is simply delusional: too focused, as it were, in the splinters in others eyes to mind the logs in theirs. Your romanticization of Muslim tolerance is historical revisionism at best.

You might want to check up on your history before you make accusations like that - there were multiple times in history when the Jews fled to Muslim countries because Christian lands persecuted them too heavily. The great antipathy between the Islamic world and the Jews in the modern world is in large part due to the establishment of the state of Israel, and there's a wide variety of historical Jewish sources talking about how Muslim rule was preferrable to Christian rule. While you're right that Muslim tolerance was a far cry from the multicultural societies of the modern west, by the standards of those historical periods that tolerance was actually real - the Christians were treating them far worse at the time, and even some of the earliest Islamic documents (see the constitution of Medina) mention this shared connection with the Jews.

You're not beating the logs-in-eyes allegations. None of anything you said would reflect on how Arabs would treat Jews in a hypothetical one-state solution. The evidence we do have is from the expulsion of Mizrahim from all Arab countries to Israel - a pogrom you blame on Zionism. But they didn't do anything for Israel. They were completely innocent in the matter, but they were expelled and had their property confiscated anyway.

That was, undeniably, ethnic cleansing at the least. Genocide, if you stretch it. And you deny it so pithily, with a single sentence. As if the actions of Jews in Judea and Samaria reflected upon them as a whole.

Why should I trust you accusing Israel of genocide when you downplay the Arab one?

You're not beating the logs-in-eyes allegations. None of anything you said would reflect on how Arabs would treat Jews in a hypothetical one-state solution.

I actually did in fact mention this exact point already earlier in the thread. It's why I usually bring up that any plausible single state solution would have to involve thorough denazification efforts - and I believe that actually putting the members of the IDF who killed civilians through real, serious trials are the best way to handle it. Most defenders of Israel assure me that the IDF is the most moral army in the world and doesn't target civilians, so I'm sure there wouldn't be any objections to real and serious war crime investigations to pick up the few bad apples who believe things like "There are no innocent civilians in Gaza" or who did things like shoot children or rape prisoners.

The evidence we do have is from the expulsion of Mizrahim from all Arab countries to Israel - a pogrom you blame on Zionism.

If I was a member of a dispossessed tribe with no homeland and a new country showed up in our traditional homeland and announced it was a country for our tribe I would likely volunteer to leave even if my home country wasn't particularly nasty. But for all the claims of a pogrom, I'm not aware of any serious sources that refer to this moment in time as a genocide or pogrom. It took place over a long time, in multiple waves and with multiple motivations from multiple places. Were some of those places expelling the jews for the actions of their co-religionists? Sure, they probably were. Were a majority of them, enough that you could characterise this as a genocide? I don't think the evidence supports that claim, and if you want to make that case I'd be interested in reading it.

That was, undeniably, ethnic cleansing at the least.

If you think that meets the bar then what Israel is doing in Gaza clears it easily. If you're willing to accept that compromise I have no problems agreeing with you.

Why should I trust you accusing Israel of genocide when you downplay the Arab one?

You shouldn't! You shouldn't trust anyone when it comes to accusations like that, and instead do your own research. I don't trust any of your claims without actually looking up the facts behind them, and I think discussions work better when both people do that.