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Culture War Roundup for the week of October 20, 2025

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In terms of "it won't actually happen", either because it just straight-up fails because nobody can get a handle on it, or even if alignment can be designed, then because it'll be a disadvantage to any given AGI and the unaligned ones will outcompete it.

That’s more or less the premise of Eliezer’s new book. Haven’t read it yet but nobody knows how to do AI alignment, despite continuing technological advancement. An AI moratorium is not going to happen. Even if governments the world over declared as much, you can remain assured behind closed doors they’re still going full speed ahead.

nobody knows how to do AI alignment, despite continuing technological advancement

Well, we're learning. Capabilities and alignment are being advanced through the same "training" paradigm, and roughly apace so far. Maybe they'll stay that way, and by the time further technological advancement is out of our hands it'll be in the "hands" of creations that still take care to take care of us.

It's easy to be pessimistic, though:

  1. Many aspects of AI capabilities could in theory be advanced very rapidly via "self-play", although in practice we can't manage it yet on anything more complicated than Go. The is-ought problem in alignment is real, though; an alien from another galaxy could converge to something like our view of reality but would only get a fraction (whatever "moral realism" results you can get from pure game theory?) of our view of how to value different possibilities for reality. So, we might at some point still see a "hard takeoff" in capabilities, such that whatever robust underlying alignment we have at that point is all we're ever going to get.

  2. The "Waluigi effect" makes alignment work itself dangerous when done wrong. Train an LLM to generate malicious code, and even if you think that's morally justified in your case, in the AI internals it might turn out that the "generates malicious code" knob is the same as the "humans should be enslaved by AI" knob and the "talk humans into suicide and homicide" knob and the "Hitler was a misunderstood genius" knob. "S-risks" of massive suffering were already a bit of a stretch under the original Yudkowsky explicit-utility-function vision of alignment - a paper-clip maximizer would waste utility by leaving you alive whether it tortures you or not - but in a world where you try to make Grok a little more based and it starts calling itself MechaHitler, it seems plausible that our AI successors might still be obsessed with us even if they don't love us.

  3. There is no Three Laws architecture. Whatever alignment we can tune, someone can then untune. If superintelligent AI is possible, not only do we want the first model(s) to be aligned with our values, we want them to be so effective at defending their values that they can defend them from any superintelligent opposition cropping up later. Ever read science fiction from 1955, or watched Star Trek from 1965? Everybody hoped that, after the H-bomb, the force-field "shields" to defend against it would be coming soon. But physics is not obligated to make defense easier than offense, and we're not done discovering new physics. (or biology, for that matter)

An AI moratorium is not going to happen.

No, it's not. Stuxnet was tricky enough; if everybody's video game console had a uranium mini-centrifuge in it next to the GPU, you could pretty much forget about nuclear non-proliferation. People point out the irony of how much attention and impetus Yudkowsky brought to AI development, but I respect the developers who read his essays and concluded "this is happening whether I like it or not; either I can help reduce the inherent risks or I can give up entirely".

As they have to. If AGI can do a fraction of what the most conservative futurists predict, it'll be a massive advantage that nobody can afford to forgo. Alignment or no.

Well, "no alignment" is so much worse than "no AGI" that anybody could afford to forgo it. But the USA would probably prefer a US AGI with "95%" alignment over a CCP one with "98% alignment", and they'd prefer a Chinese AGI with "90% alignment" over that, and so on, so nobody feels much incentive to be truly careful. Even within one nation, most companies would love to pull out far enough ahead of the competition to capture most of the producer surplus of AGI, and would be willing to take some negative-value risks out of haste to improve their odds instead of just taking a zero-value loss.