site banner
PaperclipPerfector  2mo ago (text post)   2465 thread views

Friday Fun Thread for October 24, 2025

Be advised: this thread is not for serious in-depth discussion of weighty topics (we have a link for that), this thread is not for anything Culture War related. This thread is for Fun. You got jokes? Share 'em. You got silly questions? Ask 'em.

1
Top Bottom Old Controversial Comments
Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

To be fair, without Mistral giving Llama a sharp poke with a pointy stick (especially Mixtral 8x7b) local might never have got anywhere in the first place.

Hmm.. My recollection is becoming hazy, but I recall that Meta would almost certainly have released OS models simply to get one in at Google/OAI. If they hadn't, then the Chinese would have, I don't believe that DeepSeek or the others all started as Llama forks (though I recall some did).

That reminds me that there's no word on new Meta models. I'm curious to see if Zuck's spending spree shows any dividends.

They did, but the first Llama was basically rubbish AFAIK. I tried it for a little bit as a novelty and gave up in disgust. The first Mistral 7b model you could use and think 'oh... there might be something in this'. Maybe Meta would have kept going, but there's a decent chance they would have given up.

The Chinese would probably have gone on regardless but I think the local scene really kept things going in the long wait between GPT4 and Deepseek, by allowing people to try lots of things that weren't officially sanctioned, and putting together lots of infrastructure like openrouter. I don't think the Chinese stuff would have made nearly such a splash if they'd just been another closed-source API model.

What is this place?

This website is a place for people who want to move past shady thinking and test their ideas in a court of people who don't all share the same biases. Our goal is to optimize for light, not heat; this is a group effort, and all commentators are asked to do their part.

The weekly Culture War threads host the most controversial topics and are the most visible aspect of The Motte. However, many other topics are appropriate here. We encourage people to post anything related to science, politics, or philosophy; if in doubt, post!

Check out The Vault for an archive of old quality posts. You are encouraged to crosspost these elsewhere.


Why are you called The Motte?

A motte is a stone keep on a raised earthwork common in early medieval fortifications. More pertinently, it's an element in a rhetorical move called a "Motte-and-Bailey", originally identified by philosopher Nicholas Shackel. It describes the tendency in discourse for people to move from a controversial but high value claim to a defensible but less exciting one upon any resistance to the former. He likens this to the medieval fortification, where a desirable land (the bailey) is abandoned when in danger for the more easily defended motte. In Shackel's words, "The Motte represents the defensible but undesired propositions to which one retreats when hard pressed."

On The Motte, always attempt to remain inside your defensible territory, even if you are not being pressed.


New post guidelines

If you're posting something that isn't related to the culture war, we encourage you to post a thread for it. A submission statement is highly appreciated, but isn't necessary for text posts or links to largely-text posts such as blogs or news articles; if we're unsure of the value of your post, we might remove it until you add a submission statement. A submission statement is required for non-text sources (videos, podcasts, images).

Culture war posts go in the culture war thread; all links must either include a submission statement or significant commentary. Bare links without those will be removed.

If in doubt, please post it!


Rules


Recommended Posts And Communities

Recommended Realtime Chats