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RIP James Watson
And so we lose one of the 20th Century pioneers of DNA research. He made it to a nice and comfortable 97 so at least he got to live a full life. His contributions were undeniable but we are all aware of what happened to him in his later years when his awards and honours got stripped because he talked to liberally about HBD. Back then I interpreted all this as yet another example of "Woke gone mad" left wingers who couldn't attack the argument so decided the best shot was to attack the man himself.
Other than the HBD stuff I thought he was a perfectly normal retired scientist, a bit wacky maybe but that's almost obligatory if you have a Nobel prize.
However I have very recently (in the last hour after news of his passing broke) learned that there's more to the sorts of things that Watson said than merely "respectable" HBD. For example there's this quote:
and this:
and this:
and then there's this:
This new knowledge has made me reevaluate my views on him. Now my new provisional views on him are that he clusters with Brian Josephson: academically brilliant but kooky in the head:
except that Watson's views were even more corrosive to modern civil society than Brian's. The more you know, as they say...
Odd, as I'm not sure biology is known as a high-paying field that draws in short men (surely that would be finance or something) but not objectionable.
If a woman finds herself surrounded by very intelligent, conscientious men, she'd be crazy to not try and marry one of them. I'm not the first person to realise this.
Definitely true. The link between vitamin D and testosterone is well-established.
Seems like a poor choice as a hiring manager. Why not take advantage of anti-fat prejudice and get talented fatties at a steal? But still not an earth-shattering revelation.
As someone founded a fin-tech company, I highly recommend the biology route. It is Saturday, and I am at the office and will be stuck here until the evening. Unlike the stereotype of finance people as old money aesthetic, my view is more autistic nerds doing the actual work combined with sales people who barely work i finance or understand the products. Someone considering biology is probably not going into those sales jobs.
The more technical sides of finance are almost all men and women on dating apps don't really understand or appreciate your job title anyways. You are far more likely to meet high quality women in a biology lab. Proximity is the most important factor and finance is not it.
Endorsed. Quant finance is sub 10% women and even the women we do have are very much not "tradwife" types.
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