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Culture War Roundup for the week of November 10, 2025

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Aren't religious conservatives generally anti-AI? I feel like there is a pretty big distinction here between the religious right and the right wing tech bro accelerationists. While the conservative religious people might not have the influence in the Republican party that they used to have, it's still a pretty sizeable group in America, so I think the Rightist and anti-AI quadrant still has plenty of people in it. My feeling is that this also isn't particularly novel, but rather it's indicative of a general distinction between religious conservatives who tend to have at least mildly Luddite gut feelings and the gay space fascists techbro accelerationists, like Thiel and Musk. They might work together in the Republican party because they both hate woke stuff, but I feel like they have fundamentally opposed goals and are going to get into a conflict sooner or later.

Aren't religious conservatives generally anti-AI?

I don't think religious conservatives are best described as anti-AI per se; I think it might be better to call them AI skeptics. I think this is downstream of both their beliefs about the soul ("AI has no soul or spirit, so can it truly be intelligent?") and due to the uses it might be put towards (obviously even if AI progress somehow stalls tomorrow it has already advanced sufficiently to generate pornography, for instance). So you see skepticism about its potential and concerns about its application.

Obviously people's views about AI are changing and it seems quite possible that religious conservatives (or any other group) will rapidly shift or crystallize.

Aren't religious conservatives generally anti-AI?

They are quite suspicious about AI, but that’s more over fears about what it could turn into than what it currently is now. The vast majority of evangelical conservatives aren’t going to side-eye you because you shared a meme that was made with AI. That said, I would suggest that anyone in Silicon Valley who is very concerned about existential AI threat start making outreaches to evangelicals, because they are probably the group most likely to listen.

Evangelicals do not believe in the possibility of an apocalypse other than the one described in Revelation. It's an often-overlooked part of creationism; there was exactly one previous global catastrophe and there won't be another one until the return of Jesus.

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Rev 13:12 - And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Rev 13:13 - And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

Rev 13:14 - And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Rev 13:15 - And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Rev 13:16 - And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Rev 13:17 - And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Rev 13:18 - Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Now obviously there are different ways to interpret that, and most evangelicals believe the church will be raptured before this happens, but this passage alone is enough to make them pretty suspicious about AI and digital ID.