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Culture War Roundup for the week of November 17, 2025

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We have the audio of the call, a crime-scene investigation, etc. Wikipedia actually has a pretty good article on the topic - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Hind_Rajab

Well what exactly in the evidence shows that this is not a "fog of war" incident?

whether he saw specific similarities with Nazi Germany, Levin said: “Of course. It hurts, it’s not nice, but that’s the reality. It’s better to deal with it, even if it is hard, than to ignore it.”

If there is something that frightens me in the memory of the Holocaust, it is identifying horrifying processes that occurred in Europe…70, 80 and 90 years ago and finding evidence of their existence here in our midst, today, in 2016,” Golan said.

As Hitler, may his name be erased, once said: ‘I cannot live in this world if there is one Jew left in it,’ we could not live in this land if even one such Islamo-Nazi remains in Gaza, and not before we return to Gaza and turn it into Hebrew Gaza.

Ok, let me see if I understand your argument now:

  1. Some number of prominent Israelis have drawn parallels between Israel and the Nazis.

  2. One former member of the Israeli parliament has called for the complete removal of non-Jews from Gaza.

  3. Therefore, the Israeli government internally, believes that what they are doing is on the same level as what Hitler did to the jews in Germany.

Do I have you correctly?

Also, if I could find a few current or former members of the US Congress who publicly characterized or advocated for US Policy in some respect, would you agree that according to your logic, it follows that this is an accurate characterization of US policy?

You can quibble that it is the settlers rather than the IDF, but I feel like it is perfectly reasonable to associate the IDF and the settlers.

Why exactly? Seriously, why do you hold that it's reasonable to make such an association? Is it just a feeling, or is there a specific argument?

Not to the scale that Israel has done

Well do you agree that Hamas uses human shields? Also, do you happen to know what percentage of those killed by the IDF in Gaza were civilians?

when you have previously said that all of them need to be dead so Gaza can become Hebrew Gaz

So you believe that former MK Feiglin's statements represent the official policy of the Israeli government?

Please provide an example of the wrongdoing that China, Russia or Thailand has done which comes close to what Israel is currently doing in Gaza

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_internment_camps

Given that Israel's behavior in Gaza has been exemplary for a nation at war, this is an easy comparison to make.

But if we leave them aside, I went and had a look at a list of war crimes over the past 10 years to refresh my memory and I can't see anything that compares to what Israel has done

Ok, just so we are clear, your position is that in terms of war crimes; human rights abuses; and the like, in terms of activities over the past 10 years, Israel is the very worst country in the entire world (limiting the comparison to countries recognized in some fashion by the United Nations).

Do I have you right?

Well what exactly in the evidence shows that this is not a "fog of war" incident?

If you think that there is any way in which that incident could be described as due to the fog of war you are not a serious person attempting to have a meaningful conversation. I'm not going to bother responding to the rest of your points until you can explain to me exactly how the "fog of war" could explain what happened to Hind Rajab, because you're either too stupid to engage in a conversation like this or arguing in bad faith.

If you think that there is any way in which that incident could be described as due to the fog of war you are not a serious person attempting to have a meaningful conversation

I would have to disagree. In wars, civilians get killed all the time by armies that are scrupulously following the rules of war.

I asked you to summarize the best evidence in support of your position and you used the "thick book" tactic. i.e. you linked to a lengthy article and, upon polite request, refused to point out where in this article the supposed evidence in support of your position is.

We both know the reason for this: In fact there is no evidence in the article which supports your position.

I'm not going to bother responding to the rest of your points

Since you won't answer my questions, I will answer them for you:

  1. Do I have you correctly?

Answer: Yes, in your view, the stated views of the most radical Israelis can be and must be exaggerated and then imputed to the government as a whole.

2, Also, if I could find a few current or former members of the US Congress who publicly characterized or advocated for US Policy in some respect, would you agree that according to your logic, it follows that this is an accurate characterization of US policy?

Answer: Probably you won't concede that, because you have one standard for Israel and another standard for countries you don't hate. With Israel, the statement of a former member of parliament, one who is condemned widely in Israeli society, can still be imputed to the entire current government. With other countries, not so much.

  1. Why exactly? Seriously, why do you hold that it's reasonable to make such an association? Is it just a feeling, or is there a specific argument?

Answer: It's just a feeling based on your hatred of Israel. With no other country would you take the actions of a few random citizens and insist that their behavior represents government policy.

  1. Well do you agree that Hamas uses human shields?

Answer: No you won't, even though the evidence is overwhelming that they do so as a matter of their own policy. Because to do so would be to concede the likelihood that civilian deaths in Gaza are not due to genocidal intent on the part of Israel but rather the misbehavior of Hamas.

  1. So you believe that former MK Feiglin's statements represent the official policy of the Israeli government?

Answer: Yes, because you believe that with Israel the statements of all current and former parliament members, no matter how widely condemned, can be imputed to the government as a whole.

  1. Ok, just so we are clear, your position is that in terms of war crimes; human rights abuses; and the like, in terms of activities over the past 10 years, Israel is the very worst country in the entire world (limiting the comparison to countries recognized in some fashion by the United Nations).

Answer: Yes, that's what you believe but you are reluctant to say it because deep down you know it makes you look ridiculous to make such a claim.

You have no idea what my positions are and telling other people what they believe is to the best of my knowledge explicitly against the rules on this forum - I'm not going to report you or anything, but I am going to refrain from replying to you any further on this thread.