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Culture War Roundup for the week of December 8, 2025

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Piers' and the general Conservative, boomer, narrow loyalty to certain propositions, legal documents, and historical institutions is a thinly veiled expression of loyalty to socially dominant Memes- in particular Hitler and the Holocaust. "I don't care about race I care about the Constitution" is not misguided loyalty to Thenetics it's compliance with socially dominant memetics which demand that this ambivalence towards genetic replacement compose the right-wing side of the cultural dialectic. It makes racially-oriented thinking taboo.

Amazingly, Piers Morgan strongly and emotionally denied that his proud ambivalence towards the erasure of his own people is the product of this Hitler/Holocaust-centric memetic structure... and then a few minutes later Morgan literally calls an old Jew into the show to lecture Nick with a sob story about family killed by Stalin and Hitler! This is similar to my dispute with @2rafa, who constantly cites other factors as formulating the center of this memetic structure while the Priestly caste of that memetic structure incessantly and without fail invoke Hitler and the Holocaust to justify their moral advocacy for ambivalence towards genetic replacement and racial thinking. At what point do you just believe them when they cite these symbols as inspiration for the center of their moral perspective toward these extremely import issues facing the United States and Europe?

Hitler and the Holocaust is the secular religion that Nick challenges with his shock and humor (and he is a Denier too, although he wisely avoids engaging in Revisionism directly). The way you contest a religion is by subverting and destroying its idols.

Genes tell the story of bodies. Memes tell the story of ideas.

Genes are downstream from memes. Think about how the tokens constituting an oral tradition and written to paper literally direct the ethnogenesis of the Jewish people. The myths created the people, so it is in Europe and the United States today. The dominant mythos is required to understand the direction of the people.

This crucial insight of the interaction between the two is embedded even in the Book of Genesis, in which Jacob is promised speckled sheep (mixed black/white sheep) as wages for guarding Laban's flock. Jacob then does something odd. He takes fresh branches (from poplar, almond, and plane trees), peels stripes into them so the wood looks streaked and speckled, and sets these peeled sticks in front of the animals at the watering troughs when they’re mating.

He only does this with the stronger animals, not the weak ones.

Genesis says that as a result, the animals that mated in front of the striped bark bore sheep that were streaked or speckled. Jacob claimed those as his wages. The weaker animals (who weren’t given the rods) mostly stayed Laban’s. Jacob uses visual media, a symbolic technique (the rods at the troughs) to direct the breeding of the sheep and he wins the flock. In the bible, flocks of sheep are a motif representing people.

Of course all cultures share the feature of using memes to direct the genetic evolution of the flock, while Genesis is unique in demonstrating consciousness of the functional relationship between symbols and ethnogenesis. Piers is a sheep. His hangups over Hitler, the Holocaust, prosecuting Nick for all the -ists and the -isms is directed by the symbols and memes of his generation.

That's the impetus for blaspheming this secular religion. It's not just about being edgy, it's about tearing down the symbols that are directing the behavior of the flock in a suicidal direction. Piers is a product of that memetic structure, and so is his apparent, shallow loyalty to what you cell Thenetics.

Piers' and the general Conservative, boomer, narrow loyalty to certain propositions, legal documents, and historical institutions is a thinly veiled expression of loyalty to socially dominant Memes...

First; Peirs Morgan has never been a "conservative", in fact much of his career has been defined by his opposition to both Conservate and American hegemony. He's one of the central examples of an advocate for enlightened neo-liberal technocracy.

Second; As I said in a earlier post Something I don't think you or a lot have users here have really grasped is that Trump and a core contingent the MAGA crowd are playing Teddy Roosevelt's bit about "Hyphenated Americans" absolutely straight,. Racially-oriented thinking is not "taboo", so much as it is viewed as weak, degenerate, and anti-American. To quote Teddy...

The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans, or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality than with the other citizens of the American Republic...

...The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American

When Piers asked Fuentes what he liked about America, one of Nick's answers was that he liked that America was a pan-European experiment in which a European empire was built that overcame the petty nationalisms from the European continent. It's one thing I like about it too. What do you think Teddy Roosevelt would say about demographic change in the United States?

One of Roosevelt's closest allies in the conservationist movement was Madison Grant, one of the key political leaders behind the extremely restrictionist Immigration Act of 1942. Roosevelt gave a positive view of Grant's The Passing of the Great Race and implored women to have white babies to avert "race suicide" in a speech to the National Congress of Mothers in 1905. Today Roosevelt is regarded as a racist and white supremacist.

The racialist right has a far greater claim as successors to Roosevelt's view on race and including the quote you put there, from the perspective of America as a pan-European experiment and imperial project. That was Roosevelt's view, and he certainly viewed the world in terms of race.

The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American

I feel like this is bait, because there are quite a few Americans who this denunciation would apply to today. And it's not Nick Fuentes, who is the one causing scandal by essentially restating these words today.

I feel like this is bait, because there are quite a few Americans who this denunciation would apply to today.

Yes, that is a large component of what makes Trump and the MAGA movement so divisive.