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Assuming for the sake of discussion that this is true, it doesn't really affect my argument at all:
We are evaluating evidence which seems on its surface to be pretty strong but is possibly unreliable or even fake. Thus, we need to start with the underlying claim, i.e. the claim that a lot of Somali-Americans are engaged in massive fraud against the government.
As you know, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The corollary is that mundane claims require mundane evidence. The claim that lots of Somali-Americans are engaged in massive fraud against the government is NOT an extraordinary claim. By analogy, if someone showed me a video which purported to show an Alabama redneck driving down the highway at 85 miles per hour, I would think that the video is probably accurate.
It's difficult to see how this is relevant to my argument. It looks to me like you are just trying to change the subject with some whataboutism.
But to answer your point, yeah, if someone claimed to me that Trump, Biden, or any other recent president had abused his power by pardoning someone who really didn't deserve it in order to get some kind of political advantage, I would not require extraordinary evidence.
So yeah, presidents abusing their pardon power is analogous to Somalis engaging in social services fraud.
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