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"Hey, if someone tries to run over a cop, do you think the cop might shoot them?"
When you ask such a question, most people in their heads would envision a car already at reasonable speed intentionally crashing into a cop, not a scenario which was visible from the various footages here.
I think it's very simple to understand that maybe people don't want to live in a society where a consequence of obstructing justice to any degree is getting shot, especially if it is predicated on how the officer just happens to feel in the situation.
Doesn't help that in this scenario President himself added fuel to the fire with the original tweet by garnishing Good's actions with hyperbolic or even outright false adjectives.
Hard disagree! And I think the only reason you think that is because suddenly, the entire discourse is revolving around everyone being a fictitious expert in exactly was sort of pedestrian-vehicle collisions you are allowed to fear for your life in. Prior to this being such a scissor statement, I believe most people would have said "All of them. Are you retarded?" Now, suddenly, because one side can't be correct unless there are hairs to split, people are parsing the exact position of the pedestrian and the SUV, the exact speed they were going, the exact point of impact, the exact angle of the tires. It's all bullshit, it's all hindsight, and it's a standard that no one has ever applied to hitting a pedestrian before in the entire history of cars hitting humans. Ask the poor schmuck who got railroaded into several life sentences at Charlottesville!
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