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Culture War Roundup for the week of January 26, 2026

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I'm having some trouble discerning what exactly it is you are arguing for here.

That every single time there was major culture war drama trying to frame the red tribe as authoritarian istophobes, it was based on a lie. That people shouldn't jump in with massive finger-wagging screeds because we don't uncritically accept the latest Blue narrative about fascists killing people. In fact, given the track record, any such narrative should be dismissed by default, and only accepted when overwhelming evidence is presented.

That there should be no negative consequences for the ICE officers who killed him? That it is a good thing that he died?

No one on the Blue side is arguing merely "there should be some negative consequences for thr officers that killed him", or "it's bad that he died", and no one on the Red side argued the opposite, so I have no idea how these questions are relevant.

However antisocial or stupid he was seems irrelevant to the immediate charge which got so many people (including, seemingly, ones who are otherwise sympathetic to ICE and police shootings) riled up about the case

If it was irrelevant people wouldn't expand so much energy on claims about "peaceful protesters" "legally observing", and "cowering in their homes".

That it is a good thing that he died?

No one on the Blue side is arguing merely "there should be some negative consequences for thr officers that killed him", or "it's bad that he died", and no one on the Red side argued the opposite, so I have no idea how these questions are relevant.

@Throwaway05 on the top level post:

The person involved deserved it - many here may think deserve applies in the traditional sense

I would argue that people getting what they deserve (in the "traditional sense", e.g. what is their moral due) is generally something which is considered good.

"She totally deserved to go to prison for her crimes, but it is good that she got acquitted" does seem incoherent to me.

Or is this a Red hivemind thing? That @Throwaway05 can know that "many here think" he deserved to get killed, but nobody "argued" that openly?

The person involved deserved it - many here may think deserve applies in the traditional sense

I would argue that people getting what they deserve (in the "traditional sense", e.g. what is their moral due) is generally something which is considered good.

Why don't you quote the rest of the paragraph?

No one on the Blue side is arguing merely "there should be some negative consequences for thr officers that killed him", or "it's bad that he died"

I'm arguing those things (and not particularly much more, except perhaps that ICE is just engaging in accelerationism rather than acting rationally towards their declared aim, because I actually am against illegal immigration). I'm surely more "blue" than "red", so there, you're wrong.

I'm arguing those things

And how much pushback are you getting?

From whom? I'm not surrounded by enough Americans in real life nowadays to actually get organic interactions about this stance, and on this forum I certainly get the sense that a lot of posters think there ought to be zero negative consequences for the agents. I wasn't sure if OP was in that class, which is why I responded asking for clarification (as should have been made clear by the very first sentence of my post).

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